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Cont: Electric Vehicles II

The Chinese have found a way to use a surplus of battery production in military applications. Cars aren't selling as planned so to avoid slowing the factory they have made a main battle tank full electric.

It uses a lot of parts shared with the Chinese EV market in general and sports a heap of electronic doodads of the latest generation.

It's 20 tons lighter than a main battle tank in nato stocks, 105mm main gun and autoloader. Technically a light tank but a decade ahead of the type 99 in current use.

The US was playing with scout vehicles of the EV sort but I haven't heard about adopting them yet.
 
Economics 101. Why you want your neighbors to add solar. Why you want more wind farms. Why you want more EVs even if you don't own one or are planning to buy an EV.

Competition baby. Competition to that gallon of gasoline. Competition to Natural Gas at your home or Natural Gas powered Electricity plants.

This is basic.

 
In my province on a standard class 5 licence I can drive a passenger car, a bus with no passengers, a truck with two axles (no apparent maximum weight), or a combination of vehicles consisting of a passenger car or truck with two axles and a towed vehicle with a registered gross vehicle weight of up to 4,540 kg. (5 tons.)
 
Mediawatch: Angst over EVs blows up in headlines
Last week The New Zealand Herald reported a retirement village on Auckland's North Shore - Fairview - had banned new electric vehicles... "One resident who did not want to be named told the Herald he was pulled into a meeting with other residents where 'management tried to scare us' (about) the supposed fire risk electric vehicles posed," the Herald reported...

"As soon as there's an EV that blows up or catches fire, it's on the front page or it's on the six o' clock news. If it's a diesel or a petrol car, you won't hear about it," Retirement Village Residents Association chief executive Nigel Matthews told Checkpoint.
Good to see the 'mainstream' news media countering the hysteria over EV batteries. But is it enough to cancel out the hysteria it helped create?
When 28 cars were set alight in Whangarei Hospital's car park a month ago, it was dry grass on a hot exhaust that started the blaze. But plenty of online speculation suggested an overheated EV could have started it.
http://Alarmed by what he called 'm... the electric bus's batteries were undamaged.
A day later the driver of an electric bus died after it was engulfed in flames following a collision with a petrol powered car on Tamaki Drive in Auckland... Alarmed by what he called 'misinformation' about the Tamaki Drive crash - and "bizarre anti-EV propaganda" - Auckland City Councillor Richard Hills then took to social media himself. He pointed out that... the fire started from the petrol vehicle that hit that bus on Tamaki Drive, and bus company Kinetic found the electric bus's batteries were undamaged.
IMO they are not doing enough. A bus and car collide. The car catches fire and sets the bus alight. But the headline says 'Electric bus catches fire". Many readers never get past the headline, and those who do often don't read the whole article - but they still form an opinion based on this incomplete information. Then they take to social media and spread misinformation.

The media may print clarifications like the one above, but by this time it's way too late - the lie was already half way around the world before the truth got its boots on. What should they do for penance? Report every gas car fire that occurs (~2,000 per year in New Zealand). But they won't do that because it's not 'news'.

Apart from lying by clickbait, they also lie by laziness.

NZ Autocar: EV Fires – a hot topic
There are approximately 110,000 EVs in New Zealand and there have been six fires recorded, with no injuries or fatalities. None has occurred during EV charging. Two resulted from crashes and two were caused by a fire in a house where the EV happened to be parked.
Well done, you helped counter the anti-EV narrative. Just one problem - the photo above this line appears to show a Tesla Model S spontaneously combusting, but this not true. It was actually literally torched by firefighters doing a training exercise. Yes, you provided an attribution, but finding the actual video wasn't easy. Why not add a description and/or a link to the video?

In the training video we see that firefighters applied a 400,000 btu gas torch at 3,000 degrees directly onto a battery module for 13 minutes, whereupon the left front of the vehicle caught fire and two battery modules went into thermal runaway. 6 minutes later they had put the fire out, then applied cooling water for a further 10 minutes. This is a far cry from constant bleats from the media that EV fires are almost impossible to extinguish. A different technique may be required, but firefighters are being given the required equipment and training so there's no reason to panic.

Even in their attempts to debunk the narrative, the media still fuels it. It gets worse though, because this duplicity causes people to lose trust in mainstram media and turn to alternatives like YouTube or Facebook, which are chock full of misinformation - mostly created by 'ordinary' people who are more concerned about boosting their egos than setting the record straight.
 
I have my car charger inside my garage which is integral to the house, just through the wall from my bedroom. The car is on charge from 11.30 pm to 5.30 am. I'm not even slightly worried. I realise the time to worry was when I had a petrol car parked there.

There have been some incidents, but these are extremely rare (and are hyped across the media worldwide). And we almost never get to hear the full story of what caused the fire. It's just "look at this dreadful EV fire" and then it drops off the news cycle. There was one (1) somewhere in Scotland which sounded horrific (though the pictures were less alarming than the story) but as usual no follow-up to report on the cause. It's hugely dishonest reporting.
 
Ironically, we have been having our 'usual summer storms' around here, and the powers been off for over a day- the local EV's are still all happily charging off their home panels and have 'full tanks', the ICErs are in trouble though- the local FB page is full of people begging for rides home, because the towns petrol stations (all two of them lol) are both out of action without power, and people got into town thinking they could buy fuel to get home, and.... can't......

(I jokingly suggested that one of the locals with his 10kw array and offgrid powered BYD should start up a temporary 'taxi' for the ICE owners lol)
 
The Chinese have found a way to use a surplus of battery production in military applications. Cars aren't selling as planned so to avoid slowing the factory they have made a main battle tank full electric.

It uses a lot of parts shared with the Chinese EV market in general and sports a heap of electronic doodads of the latest generation.

It's 20 tons lighter than a main battle tank in nato stocks, 105mm main gun and autoloader. Technically a light tank but a decade ahead of the type 99 in current use.

The US was playing with scout vehicles of the EV sort but I haven't heard about adopting them yet.
I call BS on this 'news' as they have such a 'huge surplus' that in Australia, BYD is struggling to meet the demand for both their EVs and their Powerwalls.... (the BYD Powerwalls if you order one now, they expect they MIGHT be able to get one delivered to you by July or August... next year... their orders are booked out that far ahead....

Hardly sounds like they have a 'suplus' now does it????

(EV sales in 2025 rose again in 2025 over previous years with over a quarter of new vehicle sales being EV of some type)
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It may depend on sources and types of battery produced by different firms. I doubt BYD is exporting the oldest technology in this Powerwall unit, I doubt a prototype military vehicle gets the latest units they don't produce in quantity yet.

I didn't have that information. I just thought it interesting that they would go there this point in time.
 
Maybe the Chinese should just design cars for home consumption that have batteries that don't overheat, just like the ones they design for overseas sales.

Judging from the quality of low bidder consumer goods Mexico gets from China we aren't getting the best possible in batteries all the time. I have scrapped a lot of cheap electronics and found a lot of tiny or super cheap batteries where a bigger one or better type would easily fit.
I recycle them as they usually won't charge anymore.

Even my 6 MaH tool battery gets just over double run time as the QC checked original 2 MaH versions. That math comes off a little odd but they cost less to earn forgiveness.

In a car I would demand some real QC in that battery and it meets claimed specs. That's not lottery ticket grade money.
 
As I understand it, a lot of the home-market stuff sold in China is so cheap because it omits a bunch of safety systems and protocols that are de rigeur for the western market.
 
It may depend on sources and types of battery produced by different firms. I doubt BYD is exporting the oldest technology in this Powerwall unit, I doubt a prototype military vehicle gets the latest units they don't produce in quantity yet.

I didn't have that information. I just thought it interesting that they would go there this point in time.
BYD build their own batteries (they are the second largest manufacturer of LFP cells in the world after CATL) and aren't exactly 'newbies' in the field, they started manufacturing cells back in the mid 1990's (if you owned a Motorola or Nokia mobile phone- by 2000, you had a BYD cell in it lol) and started making hybrids in 2008, and EVs in 2009 (hell, if you have a EU or Chinese made Tesla, there's a better than 75% chance its got BYD Blade LFP cells in its battery pack lol)

CATL also are having no issues with 'overstocking', and they are the largest manufacturer.... and they are fast tracking building another new 'megafactory' for LFP lithium cells, adding another 50GWh of production a year by the end of 2026 to boost their production to 300GWh a year (BYD is currently at 150GWh a year, with two new factories planned for early 2026, doubling THEIR output to 300GWh a year as well, which will put them on par with CATL...)

LOL- Tesla across ALL its 'Megafactories combined is under 100GWh a year produced mind you....

So exactly WHO are these companies that are 'struggling to find buyers for their stock'????
Got any actual company names????

Or is this more US led BS?????
 
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I call BS on this 'news' as they have such a 'huge surplus' that in Australia, BYD is struggling to meet the demand for both their EVs and their Powerwalls.... (the BYD Powerwalls if you order one now, they expect they MIGHT be able to get one delivered to you by July or August... next year... their orders are booked out that far ahead....

Hardly sounds like they have a 'suplus' now does it????

(EV sales in 2025 rose again in 2025 over previous years with over a quarter of new vehicle sales being EV of some type)
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It could be sort of true, in other words they've developed such a military vehicle, but it's not to absorb excess production capacity.
 
It could be sort of true, in other words they've developed such a military vehicle, but it's not to absorb excess production capacity.
Developing an EV or hybrid tank or similar isn't a new idea, they have been under development by several companies for a while now, so theres nothing startling about that lol
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Its just this nonsense being pushed from the US that the EV world is 'in trouble'- no, no its not.....
EV sales are rising month by month all around the world, far from a 'glut' of excess batteries being 'disposed of' there is a SHORTAGE of batteries- they can't make them fast enough....

Same with the EV's (be they full or hybrid EVs) they again can't make them fast enough, the stories (pushed almost exclusively from the far right in the US) about 'fields of abandoned EVs' and the nonsense that the EV manufacturers are 'desperate to move stock' to the point of falsifying sales is ridiculous...

Only the most ignorant and uneducated would believe such garbage... oh right so all trump supporters believe it then.....
:rolleyes:

The US media has a LOT to answer for.....
 

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