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Does Your Social or Political Bias Override Your Reasoning Ability?

Helen said:
A sweeping statement, and even if it were true, that does not necessarily mean that it has continue to be so. There are an awful lot of things that have in the past been true of (most) societies, which we have changed, because our views have changed. Most of us would not defend slavery, or rape, for instance.
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It's the classic biblical line, oft used by "conservatives", rightists and god botherers as an excuse for doing nothing.
 
Puppycow said:
Oh, I've seen it plenty of times from all sorts of political persuasions, including the left wing.
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My answer was given with the same level of seiousness and interest in trutfulness of the person who posed it.

But I do find that those on the right are more likely to let their prejudices override reality or their ability to perceive it than those on the left. Then again, right wing ideologies do tend to deny reality more often.
 
There was another discussion on UBI earlier I recall. I don't think it resolved how it could apply across international borders.

Raising the money to cover costs didn't seem adequately resolved.
 
arthwollipot said:
Why would it apply across national borders? Other forms of welfare don't.
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People migrate for a better life. People with nothing will try to move to where they get paid to exist. Your poor are thier upper middle class. They will cross national borders.
Does a nation deny it to a legal migrant or someone just gaining citizenship?
 
My opinion (and I'm not an expert on it - there are far smarter people than me who have examined this policy) is that all citizens get a UBI. If you want to come here to get it, you have to go through the hoops and become a citizen.
 
arthwollipot said:
My opinion (and I'm not an expert on it - there are far smarter people than me who have examined this policy) is that all citizens get a UBI. If you want to come here to get it, you have to go through the hoops and become a citizen.
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Who pays for it?
 
When applied to social and political issues, skepticism is seen as pedantry. Advocacy and activism dominate the discussions. And on very contentious topics, people don't want to concede any ground, as that video demonstrates, or the terrorists win.

If you're seriously trying to investigate whether Democrats really did something they're accused of doing, you're a clown. You're also probably neurodivergent, maybe you have some hidden agenda. "Sounds like something they would do" is how normal people react.
 
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Darat said:
You give those in poverty money.
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LOL! I'm literally laughing! Yeah, no, that won't solve poverty. It's likely to make it worse.

Now, I have a choice. I could either take your statement as a very funny joke and let it go at that. Or, I could flatter myself by speaking on boorishly about this topic while pretending that you are serious.

We actually do give some people, even a lot of people who are in poverty, enough money to make them wealthy. We call that the lottery. What we find is that the majority of lottery winners quickly spend all their money and wind up back where they were, often in even worse condition. The same thing often happens to professional athletes, too. People who have not learned how to earn money often don't know how to manage money. Simply giving them money only gets these people into trouble.
 
Helen said:
A sweeping statement, and even if it were true, that does not necessarily mean that it has continue to be so. There are an awful lot of things that have in the past been true of (most) societies, which we have changed, because our views have changed. Most of us would not defend slavery, or rape, for instance.
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I see no reason to believe that anything has changed in the world that would eliminate poverty.
 
arthwollipot said:
And as Darat said, poverty is actually very, very easy to fix. For some reason nobody wants to.
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What makes you think that poverty is easy to fix? I think it is far more likely that you grossly misunderstand the problem!
 
Opcode said:
I see no reason to believe that anything has changed in the world that would eliminate poverty.
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Well, some people have always been ready to share what they have with others, that is true, and some still struggle with the thought, but we are far more informed about the world these days, so I would have hoped that the letter category might have shrunk.

Apparently not.
 
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