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Wow, UK has lost freedom of speech

Carrot Flower King said:
Rather than quibbling about your domestic terrorists and how they organise themselves or not, how "organisation" is defined, whether all your domestic terrorists are lone wolves or whatever, etc, etc, are you going to get round to the other stuff about US funding for our domestic terrorists?

Or are you carrying on playing dumb and trying to pretend that I really meant PA?
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Yes, it is a crime to provide financial or material support that assisted a specific terrorist act.
 
Thermal said:
That's because we are not imbiciles that need every conceivable expression defined.

Your own name probably has no federal definition Therefore, you do not exist.

Kitten posting time!
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Actually I am registered with the Social Security Administration, i officially DO exist. :)
 
Hercules56 said:
Actually I am registered with the Social Security Administration, i officially DO exist. :)
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Can you link to the federal designation defining you and the designation for being you, complete with penalties? A SS# is merely a number and an account, and the card says on it expressly that it is not for identification. Many entities that do not exist have numbers and accounts.

What is the federal statute defining a Hercules56?
 
Hercules56 said:
In the USA, domestic terrorism is an act.

We have no such legal designation of "domestic terrorist group". Nor do we have a law designatingn such and spelling out penalties for such a group.

It does not exist. Therefore you cannot be prosecuted for financially or materially supporting a domestic terrorist group.

However you can be prosecuted for providing material support for a specific act of terrorism.
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How did you come up with this odd concept that Trump and his sycophants plan on prosecuting their declared enemies? They merely send in their brownshirts to grab them off the streets and truck them off to their Guantanamo-like concentration camps. You really should pay more attention to current events in your own country.
 
Thermal said:
Can you link to the federal designation defining you and the designation for being you, complete with penalties? A SS# is merely a number and an account, and the card says on it expressly that it is not for identification. Many entities that do not exist have numbers and accounts.

What is the federal statute defining a Hercules56?
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Whatever...
 
Steve said:
How did you come up with this odd concept that Trump and his sycophants plan on prosecuting their declared enemies? They merely send in their brownshirts to grab them off the streets and truck them off to their Guantanamo-like concentration camps. You really should pay more attention to current events in your own country.
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How about we get back to the topic of free speech in the UK?
 
Mojo said:
Why not do a bit of research and see if you can find an example of someone being imprisoned for misgendering someone in the UK?
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Kate Scottow. Arrested and later fined for repeatedly misgendering someone.
 
Scottow did a bit more than "misgendering".

Lot of detail in the adjudication on her appeal:


Below are the concluding paragraphs, just to give an idea that our legal system is not a monolithic thing:

55.For these reasons and those given in the judgment of Warby J, with which I agree, I too
would allow the appeal and quash the conviction.
56. This appeal illustrates the need for decision-makers in the criminal justice system to
have regard, in cases where they arise, to issues of freedom of speech. In that context I
add by way of footnote that when reading the judgment of Nicklin J in Hayden v
Dickenson, which Warby J has cited, I was surprised to read at paragraph 39 that the
defendant, who like Ms Scottow had been arrested following a complaint made by Ms
Hayden, was released on pre-charge bail, one condition of which was that she was “not
to post on social media anything relating to the Claimant” [emphasis added]. It will
have to be decided in some other case whether a condition of this kind can be justified
under Article 10 or s 3(6) of the Bail Act 1976.
 
Carrot Flower King said:
Scottow did a bit more than "misgendering".

Lot of detail in the adjudication on her appeal:


Below are the concluding paragraphs, just to give an idea that our legal system is not a monolithic thing:

55.For these reasons and those given in the judgment of Warby J, with which I agree, I too
would allow the appeal and quash the conviction.
56. This appeal illustrates the need for decision-makers in the criminal justice system to
have regard, in cases where they arise, to issues of freedom of speech. In that context I
add by way of footnote that when reading the judgment of Nicklin J in Hayden v
Dickenson, which Warby J has cited, I was surprised to read at paragraph 39 that the
defendant, who like Ms Scottow had been arrested following a complaint made by Ms
Hayden, was released on pre-charge bail, one condition of which was that she was “not
to post on social media anything relating to the Claimant” [emphasis added]. It will
have to be decided in some other case whether a condition of this kind can be justified
under Article 10 or s 3(6) of the Bail Act 1976.
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Wow, must be wonderful to live in a country with such little true crimes that you have to create new ones to prosecute.
 
Steve said:
I was merely replying to your post that pertained exclusively to the USA.

Free speech, within reasonable limits, in the UK seems alive and well, based on the posts in this thread.
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Not from what I read. You guys seem to be addicted to finding comments and posts on the web that are offensive so somebody can go to jail. Must be nice to live in such a peaceful country.

I envy you.
 
Hercules56 said:
Not from what I read. You guys seem to be addicted to finding comments and posts on the web that are offensive so somebody can go to jail. Must be nice to live in such a peaceful country.

I envy you.
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Whatever are you on about now? In don't know if I am one of the "guys" but I can't recall ever searching for such a post. Perhaps you know better and can point me to one? But yes, it is extremely nice to live in a peaceful country, thanks. (for bonus points can you identify this peaceful country?)
 
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Steve said:
You were supposed to be searching for a person imprisoned for misgendering someone. Remember the discussion? It was less than an hour ago.
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Jail, prison, fine, community service, it's all punishment by the government for hurting feewings.
 
Ivor the Engineer said:
There's nothing like stoking the fear and hatred of a real or imaginary enemy to unite humans and motivate them to behave in ways they otherwise would not. Once enough people have been infected a tipping point is reached and the whole direction of society can change. Democracy and civilisation are on the ridge of a very steep and pointy mountain range. It might be wise to install some safety fences.
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Hence the recent demonisation of "immigrants" and "trans".
 
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