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Wow, UK has lost freedom of speech

Hercules56 said:
FYI- there is no such thing in the USA as a domestic terrorist organization. We only have registered international terrorist groups. It is illegal to provide them with material support, but it is not illegal to wave their flag or support them in public.

So no, its not illegal to protest and support in public the KKK, Nazis, Antifa, BLM, Communists, Anarchists, etc. Even though lots of terrorism has been committed in theit names.
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Yes, some of us remember where some of the funding of our domestic terrorists came from...
 
Darat said:
And you can protest and support all those groups in the UK as well.
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Really? You can protest for and show public support for Hamas, Hezbollah, Al Qaeda, Palestine Action????

You can in the USA, even though these are registered international terrorist organizations with the US State Department.
 
Hercules56 said:
Just cuz Big Brother calls them "terrorists" doesn't mean they really are. Palestine Action for example.
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Whether or not they are named to your liking really doesn't matter though, especially when you are getting sentenced for the crimes you say 'there was no such thing as'. External reality is a bitch like that.
 
Thermal said:
Whether or not they are named to your liking really doesn't matter though, especially when you are getting sentenced for the crimes you say 'there was no such thing as'. External reality is a bitch like that.
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Designating PA a terrorist group seems insane. How many civilians have they killed? How many bombs detonated? How many people assassinated? How many buses or suicide vests blown up?

How many politicians kidnapped?
 
Hercules56 said:
Designating PA a terrorist group seems insane. How many civilians have they killed? How many bombs detonated? How many people assassinated? How many buses or suicide vests blown up?

How many politicians kidnapped?
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I'm not saying I agree with their designations. I'm saying that 'there is no such thing in the USA as a domestic terrorist organization' is wrong at every level.
 
Hercules56 said:
Designating PA a terrorist group seems insane. How many civilians have they killed? How many bombs detonated? How many people assassinated? How many buses or suicide vests blown up?

How many politicians kidnapped?
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You do know that the domestic terrorists I referenced did do most of those things and quite a few more?

And that a bunch of their money came from the US?

But you just carry on telling us that the US has no domestic terrorism...
 
Thermal said:
I'm not saying I agree with their designations. I'm saying that 'there is no such thing in the USA as a domestic terrorist organization' is wrong at every level.
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You cannot be prosecuted for raising funds for any "domestic terror group".

You can only be prosecuted for raising funds or providing other material support for a terrorist group registered with the state department. However you are still very free to walk around the streets waving the flag of a international terrorist organization. You cannot be arrested or prosecuted for this.
 
Carrot Flower King said:
You do know that the domestic terrorists I referenced did do most of those things and quite a few more?

And that a bunch of their money came from the US?

But you just carry on telling us that the US has no domestic terrorism...
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Who has PA killed, kidnapped, etc? How many bombs they blown up? How many planes hijacked?
 
Hercules56 said:
You cannot be prosecuted for raising funds for any "domestic terror group".

You can only be prosecuted for raising funds or providing other material support for a terrorist group registered with the state department. However you are still very free to walk around the streets waving the flag of a international terrorist organization. You cannot be arrested or prosecuted for this.
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You should really read the EO I posted upthread from Trump declaring and defining antifa as a domestic terrorist organization, and those who financially support them falling under that definition.
 
Thermal said:
You should really read the EO I posted upthread from Trump declaring and defining antifa as a domestic terrorist organization, and those who financially support them falling under that definition.
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Trump's declaration is meaningless.

Under federal law there is no such thing as a domestic terrorist organization.

Which means that regardless of Trump's silly declaration, we are all free to very publicly show support for antifa groups, raise money for them, etc.

Even foreign terrorist groups registered with the state department we are allowed to show public support for them.

Unlike in Great Britain we have a lot of rights regarding freedom of speech, even including for very unsavory groups.
 
Carrot Flower King said:
You do know that the domestic terrorists I referenced did do most of those things and quite a few more?

And that a bunch of their money came from the US?

But you just carry on telling us that the US has no domestic terrorism...
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We have no domestic terrorism??

Are we supposed to take that seriously?

Wow.
 
Thermal said:
The United States begs to differ.

There is. Federal law defines domestic terrorism in 18 U.S.C. § 2331(5), and an organization needs no further definition.
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In the USA, domestic terrorism is an act.

We have no such legal designation of "domestic terrorist group". Nor do we have a law designatingn such and spelling out penalties for such a group.

It does not exist. Therefore you cannot be prosecuted for financially or materially supporting a domestic terrorist group.

However you can be prosecuted for providing material support for a specific act of terrorism.
 
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Hercules56 said:
We have no domestic terrorism??

Are we supposed to take that seriously?

Wow.
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Rather than quibbling about your domestic terrorists and how they organise themselves or not, how "organisation" is defined, whether all your domestic terrorists are lone wolves or whatever, etc, etc, are you going to get round to the other stuff about US funding for our domestic terrorists?

Or are you carrying on playing dumb and trying to pretend that I really meant PA?
 
Hercules56 said:
In the USA, domestic terrorism is an act.

We have no such legal designation of "domestic terrorist group". Nor do we have a law destination such and spelling out penalties for such a group.

It does not exist. Therefore you cannot be prosecuted for financially or materially supporting a domestic terrorist group.
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That's because we are not imbiciles that need every conceivable expression defined.

Your own name probably has no federal definition Therefore, you do not exist.

Kitten posting time!
 
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