Merged Charlie Kirk shot at Utah Valley University event. / Charlie Kirk Shot And Killed

Like the Trump team seem to have gone a bit silent about the Kirk shooter, having discovered he wasn't actually a lefty, commie, socialist tranny, but rather a true-blue, GOP-raised, white, right-wing boy.

Not exactly an "emperor's new clothes" moment, but they are getting there.

Also, Trump is suing Fox for eleventy billion dollars! or some such. Rupert can potentially make the reporting of Trump's policing efforts very difficult and unsuccessful for Donny if he is inclined.
 
Like the Trump team seem to have gone a bit silent about the Kirk shooter, having discovered he wasn't actually a lefty, commie, socialist tranny, but rather a true-blue, GOP-raised, white, right-wing boy.
They don't ever learn, do they. They'll jump to exactly the same conclusions the next time there is a terrorist attack or assassination :( . Worst thing is, it's probably deliberate. Often the initial story is the one that sticks. If they can flood the zone with screaming about how the assassin/bomber/spree shooter was an illegal lesbian trans-woman globalist Obama-lover, that becomes the Truth in the heads of many trumpkins, regardlessly of what we learn later.

On a side note, the whataboutist screams of (as far as I've understood the exchange) "okay, so our side has a guy calling for an ex-president to be killed, but one of your people said they wanted a criminal to go to jail, explain that, evolutionists!!1" in this thread are absolutely wild to behold.
 
Like the Trump team seem to have gone a bit silent about the Kirk shooter, having discovered he wasn't actually a lefty, commie, socialist tranny, but rather a true-blue, GOP-raised, white, right-wing boy.
No he wasn't. His parents are conservative, but he sure as ◊◊◊◊ isn't. Are you unfamiliar with the phenomenon of kids who don't share political views with their parents?

And the shooter might not be a tranny, but he was dating one.
 
No, but I don't expect that you'll actually use your brain to consider this point at all.

Clearly Kirk did NOT call for Biden to be murdered - which is where this ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ started. It is a falsehood intended to stir up antagonism and hatred to frame it as such.

Speaking of not using your brain, care for a gold medal? Kirk said that Biden should be killed, but as others have pointed out, that's not a falsehood intended to stir up antagonism? You can't even see your hypocrisy through your "it's everyone else's job to bring the temperature down" nonsense...which seems to only be aimed at the left. Irony, right?
And in context it's quite clear that what Kirk implied was that Biden should be charged for whatever crimes Kirk imagined that Biden committed, and then be found guilty and given either life in prison or the death sentence.

And making up crimes to imply that Biden did something wrong on the level of deserving execution IS WHERE THIS ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ STARTED. Jesus tap dancing ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ Christ. You're so busy yelling at everyone here that you, and the rest of your 'free speech' buddies, aren't even crying about the right people. Meanwhile, you make up this ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ ludicrous claim that it's on everyone else because Kirk has the 'free speech' to say it...yet no one else apparently can criticize him because we're totally raising the temp? I can't even make up how stupid this is.
Nothing at all in that quote suggests that Kirk expects to be judge, jury, and executioner - as has been put forth here.

This completely contradicts what you just said about Kirk implying Biden should be charged and executed. He literally made up charges, by your own ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ admission, said that he was guilty, by your own ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ admission, and then said he should be imprisoned and\or put to death. What am I missing? Educated me oh savant of neutrality and bringing down the temp.
A reasonable and sensible reading does not support the hyperbolic narrative being pushed by people in this thread.

Right, 'reasonable and sensible' people call for the summary execution of a former POTUS because of....why again? Pull the other one, it's got bells on it.
Furthermore, me speaking out and saying that you guys are exaggerating Kirk's quotes in order to further exacerbate political division, and to further inflame anger and the likelihood of violence does NOT IN ANY RATIONAL WAY suggest that I agree with any of Kirk's views!

No one is exaggerating ◊◊◊◊, they're his own ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ words. You and the others are just dancing around as much as possible to give them a different context. You're justifying his calling for Biden's murder because, why again? It's totally not what he meant? Meanwhile, you're saying it's us that are inflaming anger? That's rich.
You're bashing your head against a wall. Progressives don't do nuance.

Hey, just give a shout when you want help off that high horse, K buddy! I'll go grab a ladder lol, what a ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ joke.
 
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No he wasn't. His parents are conservative, but he sure as ◊◊◊◊ isn't.

Weird, did you tell the grandmother? She said that there wasn't a liberal member of the family, that they were all MAGA. You have evidence to support this, right? I know you, sir, and you, sir, would not make up lies, sir. Ever.
Are you unfamiliar with the phenomenon of kids who don't share political views with their parents?

Are you unfamiliar with the phenomenon of kids sharing political views with their parents? See how easy that is?
And the shooter might not be a tranny, but he was dating one.

Well then he's gotta be a liberal! As we all know, there is no such thing as conservative trannies, or conservative men being caught watching tranny porn, or dating a tranny. Man you're on a roll here Zigg! Making dope points left and right!
 
It's a weird flex to say that a public figure can lie because some random guy on 4chan did.
The linked article wasn't about some random guy on 4chan, you can tell that much from first bit of headline:

Barr defends Trump use of treason against Biden​

Not sure where we got our wires crossed there.

Regarding how "a public figure can lie" you seem to be saying that Kirk actually knew the truth rather than just following Trump's lead.

To quote @Resume from earlier "[Kirk] claimed to be a critical thinker and I never saw much evidence of that."

Once the GOP started adopting treason rhetoric for their political opponents, it was just a matter of time until some of the right-wing outrage entrepreneurs starting taking that language literally and seriously.
 
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Regarding how "a public figure can lie" you seem to be saying that Kirk actually knew the truth rather than just following Trump's lead.

It seems like some are more than willing to give Kirk every pass in the book, including being a gullible idiot. So he's too stupid to know or learn the truth, but this is the same guy that ya'll claim would never call for the murder of a previous POTUS? Why is it ok for him to be stupid?
 
Kirk put himself forward as a moral leader, an exemplary American Christian - not just a Trump mouthpiece.

Which makes is supporters stupid for thinking that he had his own opinions, or stupid for thinking that his opinions were any more valid or sophisticated than those of Trump.

In either case, he was never someone who positively contributed to public debate.
 
Weird, did you tell the grandmother? She said that there wasn't a liberal member of the family
She also said her grandson didn't do it. Why on earth would you believe her? And I'm not even saying she's lying. She might really believe that he's innocent, and that he's conservative. But both those beliefs, both of those claims, should be treated with similar weight.

His mother, on the other hand, told investigators that he had become politically leftist. And she's not in denial about his guilt. Why do you believe the grandmother and not the mother? For the same reason the grandmother doesn't think he's guilty: it's what you want to believe.
 
She also said her grandson didn't do it. Why on earth would you believe her? And I'm not even saying she's lying. She might really believe that he's innocent, and that he's conservative. But both those beliefs, both of those claims, should be treated with similar weight.

His mother, on the other hand, told investigators that he had become politically leftist. And she's not in denial about his guilt. Why do you believe the grandmother and not the mother? For the same reason the grandmother doesn't think he's guilty: it's what you want to believe.

Him being a lefty is obviously what you want to believe too.

Good luck with that and have a nice day.
 
Him being a lefty is obviously what you want to believe too.
Whether or not I want to believe it, that's still where the evidence, the actual evidence, points. I'm not the one picking an un-credible witness over a credible one.
 
Once the GOP started adopting treason rhetoric for their political opponents, it was just a matter of time until some of the right-wing outrage entrepreneurs starting taking that language literally and seriously.
Once Dems started adopting the Nazi and fascist rhetoric for their political opponents, it was just a matter of time until someone on the left actually killed one of these people accused of being a Nazi fascist.
 
You're bashing your head against a wall. Progressives don't do nuance.
I suppose nuance is “it is wrong to call for political violence but not wrong to call for the death penalty of a senile Joe Biden for unspecified reasons”.

Could you, then, show us why it is acceptable to call for the death penalty of senile old Joe Biden? We are being told that it is very different from calling for political violence.
 
Kirk put himself forward as a moral leader, an exemplary American Christian - not just a Trump mouthpiece.
This sort of claim would surely benefit from supporting evidence in the form of sourced quotations, but I continue to think of Kirk as little more than a mouthpiece for a movement which was defined in more terms of personality than ideology.
thinking that [Kirk's] opinions were any more valid or sophisticated than those of Trump.
I've seen rather little evidence to show that Kirk did anything other than regurgitate talking points in support of Trump's agenda.

Occasionally, he'd take some factitious bit of Trumpism (e.g. Biden as traitor who committed crimes against America) and color it in a bit.
 
Could you, then, show us why it is acceptable to call for the death penalty of senile old Joe Biden? We are being told that it is very different from calling for political violence.
It is different. Whether or not it's acceptable is another matter, one which I'm not arguing here. Why is it different? An ordinary citizen cannot enact a death penalty. A death penalty is the end result of a judicial process, which not only requires a lot of participants, it requires rather specific participants. Even if I wanted Joe Biden to be executed for treason (I don't), there's nothing that I, as an individual private citizen, could really do to make that happen. The most I could ever do, even if I were so inclined, is vote for politicians who might appoint judges and prosecutors more inclined to pursue such a process. But good luck with that.

But an assassination? Murder? Anyone can do that, on their own.

Remember the term "stochastic terrorism"? Pepperidge Farms remembers.
 

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