Merged Charlie Kirk shot at Utah Valley University event. / Charlie Kirk Shot And Killed

Reformed Offlian said:
It was Charlie Kirk's responsibility. And people are trying to make a hero out of him for doing just the opposite.
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I don't ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ care if someone else said nasty things. You saying nastier things and being committed to amping up division and anger makes it worse. YOU have a responsibility to help avoid FUTURE violence.
 
johnny karate said:
ow did we get from should "order Mexican or Italian" to "should order Mexican?
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Presumably by discussing the problem without misrepresenting anyone's position.
Reformed Offlian said:
A fair characterization is that Kirk indicated he was okay with any outcome that resulted in Biden never seeing the light of day again, even if that involved his execution.
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Sounds about right, except that both outcomes mentioned typically require judicial process.
Resume said:
If they have the same evidence as Kirk did for his assertion, they're full of ◊◊◊◊ too.
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Of course.
 
d4m10n said:
This sort of thing is fine so long as the people doing it are on your side. :p
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How on earth do you consider this logical.

There was no credible evidence that Biden did anything even remotely close to being worthy of prison time let alone execution.

On the other hand, Trump has done multiple things which are quite obviously illegal, many of which could result in prison time if the US had a functioning justice system and courts.

Same with your earlier example of al-assad. There is no shortage of credible evidence of his crimes against humanity and violations of international law. Comparing him to Biden to make a point is laughable.

Comparing Biden to either Trump or al-assad is completely ridiculous. Its pure desperation mode.
 
d4m10n said:
Presumably by discussing the problem without misrepresenting anyone's position.
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It’s literally just your sentence with food choices swapped in:
d4m10n said:
How did we get from should "be put in prison and/or given the death penalty" to "should be executed" though?
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I’m not sure how you came away with the conclusion I misrepresented your position when I used the exact same sentence structure that you used.
 
Emily's Cat said:
No, but I don't expect that you'll actually use your brain to consider this point at all.

Clearly Kirk did NOT call for Biden to be murdered - which is where this ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ started. It is a falsehood intended to stir up antagonism and hatred to frame it as such. And in context it's quite clear that what Kirk implied was that Biden should be charged for whatever crimes Kirk imagined that Biden committed, and then be found guilty and given either life in prison or the death sentence. Nothing at all in that quote suggests that Kirk expects to be judge, jury, and executioner - as has been put forth here.

A reasonable and sensible reading does not support the hyperbolic narrative being pushed by people in this thread.

Furthermore, me speaking out and saying that you guys are exaggerating Kirk's quotes in order to further exacerbate political division, and to further inflame anger and the likelihood of violence does NOT IN ANY RATIONAL WAY suggest that I agree with any of Kirk's views!
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Zero condemnation for a prominent conservative activist’s inflammatory rhetoric, but big mad at the rhetoric of random people on an insignificant Internet forum.
 
Emily's Cat said:
I don't ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ care if someone else said nasty things. You saying nastier things and being committed to amping up division and anger makes it worse. YOU have a responsibility to help avoid FUTURE violence.
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Does not care that a prominent conservative activist called for the death of the president, very concerned about the rhetoric of a handful of people on a small internet forum.
 
LiteBright said:
Comparing him to Biden to make a point is laughable.
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My point was that false beliefs are driving people to say these sorts of things.

People who believe Biden is guilty of treason believe he should be tried and punished accordingly.

People who believe Trump is guilty of treason believe he should be tried and punished accordingly.

The difference between these two positions is a matter of having the right facts, not the right sense of justice.
 
d4m10n said:
My point was that false beliefs are driving people to say these sorts of things.

People who believe Biden is guilty of treason believe he should be tried and punished accordingly.

People who believe Trump is guilty of treason believe he should be tried and punished accordingly.

The difference between these two positions is a matter of having the right facts, not the right sense of justice.
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I disagree. Its not a matter of having the right facts. Its about having any facts at all vs no facts whatsoever.

Calling for the execution of someone in the absence of any explanation is violent rhetoric, designed to inflame.
 
LiteBright said:
Calling for the execution of someone in the absence of any explanation is violent rhetoric, designed to inflame.
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You say "absence of any explanation" as if you've already checked, but his audience wouldn't ask for one.

#MAGA folks already believe Biden did a treason because their Dearest Leader says so; Kirk's only contribution was to spell out two possible penalties.
 
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It is quintessential fake Free Speech Advocate to either focus on or completely ignore the reach one person has compared to another, when that is more useful than the content

no, absolutely not is it comparable what a poster here, or some random person on X says to Kirk saying the same thing in an interview, a recorded debate, on his podcast. With Celebrity cones responsibility - because Trump and Musk are doing the opposite, people who want to forget that do.
 
d4m10n said:
You say "absence of any explanation" as if you've already checked, but his audience wouldn't ask for one.

#MAGA folks already believe Biden did a treason because their Dearest Leader says so; Kirk's only contribution was to spell out two possible penalties.
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You mean Amplify it without any qualifiers, even though he was in a position to educate himself and know better.
It's a weird flex to say that a public figure can lie because some random guy on 4chan did.
 
Ziggurat said:
No, it wasn't. You said murder. A legal execution isn't murder. You moved the goalpost, and you're blaming me for not going along with your move. That's pathetic.
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A kangaroo court and convicted and executed on ridiculous charges, like claiming Biden should be executed is judicial murder. See also the antivaxers claiming that "Nuremberg 2.0" should take place and execute Covid vaccine researchers and medics.
 
Well, I wouldn't recommend watching Fox Entertainment for REAL news, but every once in a while, a broken clock does get it right:

Fox Host Calls Out Team Trump ‘Hypocrisy’ Over MAGA Gunman

Fox News host Jessica Tarlov criticized the Trump administration for avoiding mentioning the apparent right-wing beliefs of Sunday’s church shooter in Michigan.
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A Google Maps street view from June shows a Trump sign outside Sanford’s nearby home. In a picture posted on social media in 2019, Sanford wore a Trump 2020 shirt with the line “Make Liberals Cry Again.” Additionally, Democratic consultant Mark Grebner said Sanford in 2020 signed a petition to outlaw an abortion procedure and in 2021 signed another to repeal Gov. Gretchen Whitmer’s pandemic-related authority.
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“The hypocrisy is astounding,” she went on, adding moments later: “When the shoe is on the other foot and you can’t demonize the left for this one, they say nothing. ‘Oh, it was just about anti-Christian bias.’ It was a Christian, by the way, killing other Christians.”
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