Merged Charlie Kirk shot at Utah Valley University event. / Charlie Kirk Shot And Killed

Just as muta civil rights leader as MLK was he?


JD Vance: Charlie Kirk never said Black women do not have the brain processing power to be taken seriously. He never uttered those words.

Charlie Kirk: Joy Reid, Michelle Obama, Ketanji Brown Jackson-- you do not have the brain processing power to be taken seriously

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Resume said:
Charlie doing his own mocking.

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But that's okay because Floyd was . . . you know.
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New strategy: The Left should just keep putting material like this out. Flood social media with it.

If Trump or at least Vance or a group of congressmen don't come out with an explicit public condemnation of all political violence and don't urge their followers to "turn the temperature down", Democrats and the Left have no obligation to apologize for any ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ they're accusing us of. Make it a condition for a funding deal.
 
Emily's Cat said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1966598478408147224

Yep, Democrats have no responsibility for this at all. Not one bit.

I will stand by my position that BOTH parties are completely ◊◊◊◊◊◊, neither is in it for the citizens, and both are currently doing their damnedest to start a civil war.
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I agree to some extent, but the problem with your manifesto is you're too simplistic (like a saying on a bumper sticker), and by using a blanket statement to condemn EVERYONE in both parties, you lose credibility in my eyes.

I mean, it's not like every democrat or republican has a magic sharpie to change things and are refusing to use it.

I just don't believe any extremist murderer represents any specific party. They just like to kill, and anyone who encourages or condones what they do is just as evil as them, but like I keep saying, that's just my opinion.

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Brainster said:
Authorities told Axios they believe Robinson's romantic relationship with his transgender roommate could be key to determining a motive

And reveals the latest theory among investigators:
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What "authorities" are making those allegations? Are they professional law enforcement types or political hacks? What evidence have they provided to show that it is plausible that support for a transgender roommate was his motive, or is it just a wild guess?

Sorry I don't have access to the Axios article, but we have seem so much bunk coming from the political right that we should immediately be suspicious about any claims coming from "authorities" on this.
 
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Orphia Nay said:
Can you please provide some key quotes from the paywalled article? Or paraphrase what supposedly debunks the Groyper theory?
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This is all I could get (it's mostly pictures and ads), but you need to click on another link and another and another... to get the full story.

Obviously, the one who provided the link didn't actually give you the right one.

I wonder why?

How Charlie Kirk's killing sparked unfounded theories about Groypers​


Soon after Charlie Kirk's assassination, some on the political left quickly spread a baseless theory that the conservative podcaster was killed by a follower of the ultra-right-wing group called Groypers.​


The big picture: Internet searches for Groypers skyrocketed last week as critics tried to connect Kirk's suspected shooter, Tyler Robinson, and the group's leader, Nick Fuentes, a podcaster known for edgy, racist and socially transgressive content.

The suspect who allegedly killed conservative activist Charlie Kirk targeted him for "spreading hate," police said while announcing the arrest Friday.

The latest: President Trump announced the arrest on "Fox & Friends" Friday morning, and Utah Gov. Spencer Cox (R) identified the suspect, who he said confessed to the shooting.

Authorities are investigating whether Tyler Robinson, suspected of killing Charlie Kirk, believed Kirk's views on gender identity were "hateful" to people like Robinson's transgender roommate, six sources familiar with the case tell Axios.

Why it matters: Investigators believe Robinson's anger at Kirk's views could be a key to establishing a motive for the slaying of the controversial activist whose death sent shockwaves through American politics.

The heinous killing of Charlie Kirk shocked the nation's conscience at a moment of searing political tension.
  • In an Oval Office address, President Trump called for Americans to unite in the memory of the 31-year-old conservative titan. He then on the "radical left."
The big picture: Kirk — the singular leader of MAGA's next generation, who is survived by his wife and two young children — was a fierce champion of the right to free expression. His voice was silenced Wednesday by an assassin's bullet.

Axios Media Inc., 2025
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Orphia Nay said:
Can you please provide some key quotes from the paywalled article? Or paraphrase what supposedly debunks the Groyper theory?
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You can actually read it for free if you give them an e-mail address, but I've seen these kind of "news" articles before. They string you along, little by little, until you've seen at least a couple dozen ads.

I didn't bother going that far, because they usually have no substance, and you can tell they're biased by the adjectives and adverbs they use, and especially the way they use the word "liberal", like a blanket statement that anyone who has more than two brain cells can see right through.

In my opinion, it's not worth your time.
 
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Andy_Ross said:
We are going to destroy the organised terrorist networks.

Stephen Miller: “We are going to channel all the anger we have over the organized campaign to led to this assassination to uproot and dismantle these terrorist networks … The organized doxxing campaigns. The organized riots. The organized street violence. The organized of dehumanization. Vilification. Posting people’s addresses. Combining that with messaging designed to trigger and incite violence and the actual organized cells that carry out and facilitate the violence. It is a vast domestic terror movement. With God and as my witness, we are going to use every resource we have at the Department of Justice, Homeland Security and throughout this government to identify, disrupt, dismantle and destroy these networks, and make America safe again for the American people. It will happen, and we will do it in Charlie’s name.”

https://twitter.com/x/status/1967644960917778911
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By the way...

Who the ◊◊◊◊ are you, Mr Deputy Secretary, to make any announcements on anything to do with government policy? Just because your boss's boss is now little more than a rotting lump of orange lard with the intellect of a doorpost doesn't automatically give you the microphone and driver's wheel. Get to the back of the ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ room and sit yourself the ◊◊◊◊ down, Nosferatu.
 
jt512 said:
Thank you for being yet another "skeptic" who doesn't understand Bayesian inference.
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My Bayesian prior included the assumption that no sensible person would write something like that without first looking into the technical background of the person to whom the comment is addressed.

I have now updated that prior with the additional information revealed by the remark quoted above.
 
Emily's Cat said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1966598478408147224

Yep, Democrats have no responsibility for this at all. Not one bit.

I will stand by my position that BOTH parties are completely ◊◊◊◊◊◊, neither is in it for the citizens, and both are currently doing their damnedest to start a civil war.
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I will be kind here...

In any of that video was there any actual specific reference by Democrats to shooting, or fighting, or violence, or insurrection, or rounding people up? Anyone mention using guns? Or jailing immigrants? Rounding people up? There was certainly strong rhetoric about political fighting, but not physical fighting. So the contention that "Democrats are the same as MAGA" is so far from being valid that it is entirely ridiculous and unsustainable in any way.

Certainly, none of your video sounded anything the remotely vicious as MAGA and their "Find 'em! Sack 'em! Jail 'em! Shoot 'em! Lynch 'em! Kill 'em!" stuff. And insurrections, and gun-toting, and physically threatening in public. Or the ICE raids. Or sending the military into cities in defiance of the constitution. Stuff that has happened with MAGA, and is happening with Trump backing right now.

So my kindness is that I will allow that this ridiculous "justification" for MAGA to behave like they do "because the Democrats do the same" is simply naivety on your part. You just didn't realise until now that you have said something silly, and you should really apologise for the blunder.

Because the alternative is you know full well this isn't the case, and you are carrying water for Trump and his fascists, and are trying to justify their nefarious actions with this crapulent excuse.

I'll leave it to you to decide which one you think you want to go with.
 
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