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The sinking of MS Estonia: Case Reopened Part VII

So a "view" becomes a "researched view" when it's the view of someone you want us to accept as an authority. I wondered if that might be it.
When you watch Alistair Campbell or Sophie Raworth reading the BBC News, you assume the stuff they're spouting is properly researched and authenticated. Rabe is one step beyond being a mouthpiece, she is the source of the researched and authenticated stuff you accept unthinkingly every day.
 
Vixen, do you believe that Voronin was a dealer in spacecraft/spacecraft tech, yes or no?

ETA: Vixen what is software as you understand it?
 
Obvs typos, which I've now corrected. BTW Paul Foot and Pilger were sometimes wrong. But their heart was in the right place.
Where did I say Foot and Pilger were never wrong? I said they were proper investigative journalists, which Rabe clearly isn't. But bless you for patronising them.
 
Vixen, do you believe that Voronin was a dealer in spacecraft/spacecraft tech, yes or no?

ETA: Vixen what is software as you understand it?
It should be clear that my view is that the Rockwater divers took a special interest in the attaché case in cabin no. 6230. Why? because Frànsen the SEMI bod in charge of the whole Rockwater thing - not to mention hiring an expensive outfit with commercial divers rather than research ones, when Sweden has plenty of marine expert divers of its own, and at a cheaper tender - made it clear to the divers they were not to identify any of the bodies, What happened in cabin 6230? Voronin's name was spelt out. What's more, the diver suggested he could be the gentleman lying dead behind the door in the hallway. So, the fact, (a) they weren't looking to ID bodies and (b) nonetheless named Voronin, albeit indistinctly, and the supervisor was clearly asking someone higher up on the platform as to whether the name being called out 'rang a bell.' Ding, ding , ding.
 
I would suggest you have a word with EHocking and ReformedOfflian for dragging up the man in a brown jacket and the Voronin attaché case all over again. They asked for info and I was trying to be helpful by assisting them.
Nope, asked and answered. You brought up the red-suited figure apropos of nothing. I provided evidence of that previously, which you continue to ignore. The members you name are doing the exhausting work of trying to get you to give actual evidence for the claim, instead of an endless runaround of lazy newspaper reports.

If you don’t want to be considered a conspiracy theorist, stop talking about conspiracy theories under the false flag of “current events.”
 
Nope, asked and answered. You brought up the red-suited figure apropos of nothing. I provided evidence of that previously, which you continue to ignore. The members you name are doing the exhausting work of trying to get you to give actual evidence for the claim, instead of an endless runaround of lazy newspaper reports.

If you don’t want to be considered a conspiracy theorist, stop talking about conspiracy theories under the false flag of “current events.”
No, EHocking did.
 
Read my response with care. I have spelt out exactly what I believe about Voronin in answer to your question did I think he was an arms/spacecraft trader. Nothing more, nothing less.
No, you intimated you think they were looking for Voronin's case. That indicates you think there was A reason for it, but does not specify if you think he was dealing in space tech.

You didn't even attempt to answer the other question. What is your understanding of what software is?
 
No, EHocking did.
Again, false. You did in this post having to do with why the captain's body should have been recovered:
@EHocking later asked you to substantiate it.

Second time having to remind you of this. You need to see someone for your memory problems. Whining that you're being so badly abused for your lapses is not the adult way to address such problems.
 

As a journalist, Rabe investigated the Estonia accident. Rabe was a part of the so-called German Group of Experts. She believed the Rockwater dive was just a front for the Swedish government because they already knew the cause of the accident, which in her view, was a Swedish submarine collision (and hence, classified information). She points out the fact the divers only visited deck six for specific cabins and made no attempt at all to look at the car deck, or identify the bodies on the bridge. Rabe as a journalist had the means to publicise it via her channel. DER SPEIGEL sponsored the Rabe-Bemis-Braidwood expedition. That is how it is relevant she worked for DER SPIEGEL. You know, like current affairs? Make of current affairs what you will.
You said that the German Group of Experts was the source of your claims about Aleksandr Voronin's spacecraft related businesses. Please can we have a precise citation for that?
 
Again, false. You did in this post having to do with why the captain's body should have been recovered:
@EHocking later asked you to substantiate it.

Second time having to remind you of this. You need to see someone for your memory problems. Whining that you're being so badly abused for your lapses is not the adult way to address such problems.
OK, fair enough, so EHocking then wanted further clarification, so it then developed into an issue.
 
It's possible it's all a hoax and a money-spinning enterprise, and there is a warrant out for her arrest in Sweden for the Treaty breach, in which case, keep an eye on the current affairs news to find out what the fall out might be.
Why not just the regular news?
 
You said that the German Group of Experts was the source of your claims about Aleksandr Voronin's spacecraft related businesses. Please can we have a precise citation for that?
Herewith again:


The reason for the cover-up was classified documents that were allegedly found in the cabin of Captain Avo Piht during the 1994 dives, Rabe claimed in the influential daily Süddeutsche Zeitung on Saturday. Namely, video footage from 1994 shows that the name of the owner, Aleksandr Voronin, is on the side of the diplomatic briefcase that was retrieved from there, but what became of the briefcase is unknown. According to Rabe, Piht was accommodated elsewhere on the night of the shipwreck. A more important person, Voronin, was allegedly traveling in Piht's cabin. According to Rabe, the latter was the head of a Russian-US aerospace company, whose services were also used by the Pentagon. September 24, 2002, 07:14 Postimees
 

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