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Rainbow crosswalks

There are no specific narional rules against colored crosswalks. They are not uncommon across the US.
There are certainly conventions, I also question commonality of colored crosswalks. What percentage of marked crosswalks are anything but alternating black and white stripes. To repeat myself, I don't actually think this is motivated by genuine safety concern. I'm saying, that coming from others, I would believe it.

The rainbow painting of the Orlando crosswalk was approved by the state. Then Florida passed a hateful, bigotted law specifically targeting it and other rainbow crossings.
I don't doubt that, except hateful. Petty and spiteful sure but that's splitting hairs.
 
While USDOT offers recommendations for crosswalk markings, they do not all devolve into alternating white and black stripes. There is no national standard. Further, USDOT specifically allows for “decorative” crosswalks so long as the local authority has given appropriate attention to visibility for low-vision pedestrians.
 
Side note, I'd almost believe the "we shouldn't politicize our streets" thing except we name streets and such after all sorts of political figures. I doubt any of the folks would give a crap about Donny Trump BLVD.
 
The ones on Patrick's street have the full flag and have had to be replaced at least once for traffic scuffing them (normal wear and tear). Nothing wrong with them at all.
The one on SGtGeoSt seems to have partially melted, at least the purple.
 
Forty-eight hours before the state is due to send people in to restore the "safety" of the cross walks, repaint them with red and white stripes and blue borders with stars. (Not an actual flag image, though, so it doesn't offer the excuse of being "disrespectful" to a flag.)

Have film crews ready to livestream and record them obliterating the patriotic decorations.

Repeat as needed. Come on, Florida towns. Have you forgotten all tactics?
Progressives: "Haha we'll paint their holy symbol on the street, and they'll lose their minds at the thought of erasing it!"

Also Progressives: "We painted our holy symbol on the street, and don't you dare try to erase it or we'll lose our minds!"

My proposal: Only non-partisan, apolitical, standardized street markings should be used. These markings are exclusively to be used for traffic and safety management.
 
Forty-eight hours before the state is due to send people in to restore the "safety" of the cross walks, repaint them with red and white stripes and blue borders with stars. (Not an actual flag image, though, so it doesn't offer the excuse of being "disrespectful" to a flag.)

Have film crews ready to livestream and record them obliterating the patriotic decorations.

Repeat as needed. Come on, Florida towns. Have you forgotten all tactics?
I think that is probably the best response I've heard. Not a fan of any of this to be honest. Take a look at the photo in the article from the op. It looks like crap after having been driven over and parked on. Flags and Rainbow roundabout are much better. Back when I was much more conservative and patriotic I always hated the flaggish clothes and such. Flag shorts, that's a display of patriotism? A flag beach towel? How is drying your wet ass with a flag patriotic. At least the folks who burn flags understand that it means something. So, painting anything on the street that folks drive over and walk on is not an appropriate display of anything in my mind. I agree with Arabs on that. Remember that Mural of Bush the Elder that Hussein had put in some sidewalk?

I would recommend the patriotic display be painted elsewhere though. Alternate red and white stripes for the crosswalk then stars above and below. See what happens.
 
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Progressives: "Haha we'll paint their holy symbol on the street, and they'll lose their minds at the thought of erasing it!"

Also Progressives: "We painted our holy symbol on the street, and don't you dare try to erase it or we'll lose our minds!"

My proposal: Only non-partisan, apolitical, standardized street markings should be used. These markings are exclusively to be used for traffic and safety management.


Male Conservatives: I hate gays because some of those guys give me a woodie, and that ruins my macho, testosterone-filled reputation
 
Side note, I'd almost believe the "we shouldn't politicize our streets" thing except we name streets and such after all sorts of political figures. I doubt any of the folks would give a crap about Donny Trump BLVD.
Our city has a Harvey Milk Blvd. The more snowflaky members of our state legislature are working as hard as possible to get it changed, over and above the wishes of the citizens, the city council, and the mayor. The Utah legislature chafes constantly under the burden of convening their red-state supermajority in a city that hasn't had a Republican mayor since the 1970s. Our previous mayor was lesbian.

Apropos to my previous comment, the crosswalks in my city are not alternating stripes. They're just wide white boundary lines on either side of the intended pedestrian right of way. In some places, the right of way is set in cobblestones contrasting with the surrounding concrete. Consequently in other places the interior is set in textured concrete painted to resemble cobblestones. To my knowledge we have only one rainbow crosswalk—at the corner of 3rd Avenue and K Street, if you want to look it up on your favorite aerial photo app. You have to squint because the colors are faded, just hints of stripes between the boundary stripes out there in front of the 7-Eleven. I don't recall any objection to it when it was first painted, nor do I know what (if anything) it is meant to commemorate.

My proposal: Only non-partisan, apolitical, standardized street markings should be used. These markings are exclusively to be used for traffic and safety management.
That's the no-brainer solution—just don't allow anything that isn't purely utilitarian. But some communities want to present street markings and traffic controls in a way that fits their overall desired aesthetic. The public apparatus is a big part of what makes certain places fun to visit. The rainbow crosswalks at Castro and 18th in San Francisco are overtly political, and that's an appropriate message for that place. Conversely the center of our city is a grand plaza celebrating the seat of Mormonism. I wouldn't be offended if the street markings in that part of the city were made to fit into that carefully crafted image. It's an important part of our city, whether I choose to participate in it or not.

In theory you can have identity without identity politics, although that's getting very hard to achieve in practice. The rainbow is a symbol of a group that has every right to associate, identify, express their identity, and be publicly recognized by it. But that also injects it into political discourse. It would be sad if the only way to defuse political divisiveness is to reduce all public expression to that which has no meaning.

Politics pervades everything that politicians want to pervade it with, even if that wasn't the original intent. And ostensibly de-politicizing public discourse doesn't seem to fix it. Our state legislature passed a law forbidding all flags from public spaces that weren't strictly representative of a government entity. Previously the city flew a rainbow flag alongside the government flags during Pride month, a BLM flag on Juneteenth, and various other commemorative flags on the appropriate occasions. This was deemed too "political"—by politicians who obsess over identity politics to the tune of passing a law that literally affected one person in our state. But our city council in short order approved all those commemorative flags as alternative city flags, allowing them to be flown in conformance with the law. And then every 24th of July our city shuts down for what is an overtly Mormon religious celebration, but our lawmakers don't balk in the least at those politics. So the point is that no matter what law you pass to restrict expression in public spaces, there will always seem to be a way around it. Maybe the better path is to allow a diversity of expression rather than requiring a paucity of it.
 
I'm pretty sure there's been a recent court case about the alternative flags. I think out of Boston, short version, you have to allow all of them or none of them.

That being said, there is an argument for the notion that the actual street marking should be pretty much limited to standard signage and safety stuff. The problem with the current thing, is that's pretty clearly not what's going on. I'd bet if they did but then some town decided to put up banners or decorations from light posts and such, MAGA would come after them.

If this goes to court, I expect the rule be similar to what's noted above. All or none.

I very much want to have some space in life to not deal with politics, for the most part I can. I can walk across a mural of Ronald Reagan or a rainbow painted crosswalk and not even notice. That is until the FLDOT points it out.
 
Indigo can't even decide what colour it is. It's only in the list of rainbow colours because Newton said so, and it's very likely that what he called "blue" is what we call cyan, and what he called "indigo" is what we call blue. Is there a colour between what you call blue and violet that you feel the need to name separately? Nor me. So just say blue.

Hardly anybody knows wtf indigo is anyway except for being a thing you say when you're chanting the colours of the rainbow.
 
How is a smattering of rainbow crosswalks an "exclusive billboard?" Are there no other crosswalks that can be painted in highly reflective icons indicative of the community they appear in?
I just meant something more along the lines of "don't lose your ◊◊◊◊ when someone decides to erase your politicized street art; it was never supposed to be there anyway."
 
Indigo can't even decide what colour it is. It's only in the list of rainbow colours because Newton said so, and it's very likely that what he called "blue" is what we call cyan, and what he called "indigo" is what we call blue. Is there a colour between what you call blue and violet that you feel the need to name separately? Nor me. So just say blue.

Hardly anybody knows wtf indigo is anyway except for being a thing you say when you're chanting the colours of the rainbow.
I bet you're one of those splitters that think Pluto isn't a planet!
 
Progressives: "Haha we'll paint their holy symbol on the street, and they'll lose their minds at the thought of erasing it!"

Also Progressives: "We painted our holy symbol on the street, and don't you dare try to erase it or we'll lose our minds!"

My proposal: Only non-partisan, apolitical, standardized street markings should be used. These markings are exclusively to be used for traffic and safety management.

Conservatives: "Rainbows are a holy symbol."

Also Conservatives: "Posting the Ten Commandments in schoolrooms is all about moral instruction, not establishing a religion."

My proposal: Local communities paint their cross walks based on their own preferences without interference from some kind of self-appointed Federal HOA.
 

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