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General Israel/Palestine discussion thread - Part 4

webfusion said:
"Also, having three sites to deliver 1.8 million meals yesterday for 2.1 million people is inadequate." -- jimbob

I have a question --- is every man woman and child in Gaza eligible to be getting free (donated) aid and nobody needs to pay for food anymore? TheWorld™ is now responsible for providing meals for everyone in Gaza?
Is that the actual situation?
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How else are they going to eat? Your post makes you sound heartless.
 
Bibi is coming to the USA for a little visit.

I have no doubt POTUS and Israel's leader will discuss the means and plans for a "humanitarian" relocation of civilians away from Gaza. That exact point was mentioned in a heated Israeli meeting with IDF commanders. CoS Zamir was told by the PM in no uncertain terms: "Prepare an operational outline to control the entire northern sector and move 'em all South"

 

Ziggurat said:
How do you eat?
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I go to work everyday in a community college that has not been OBLITERATED to earn money. I then go to a store for GROCERIES and purchase them with said money. This store also still exists. I then take the food to my still existing home and use the still working water and electric services to cook it. I can't see why the Palestinians would have a problem with that! Simples! /s
 
Ziggurat said:
I’m suggesting aid isn’t the only way that people get food.
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You could clarify if you are affirming that there is enough food in Gaza for all without the need for aid?

We can ignore any hunger that members of Hamas might be experiencing.
 
Every aid worker on the ground has ben saying for months that there is not enough food - children are starving and dying for lack of food.
If you move from 50+ food distribution sites to 5, and have bloodbaths at them every day, it requires superhuman levels of self-delusion to convince yourself that there is enough food in Gaza.
 
Poem said:
You could clarify if you are affirming that there is enough food in Gaza for all without the need for aid?
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I'm not sure how that's relevant, since there is aid.
Poem said:
We can ignore any hunger that members of Hamas might be experiencing.
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The don't experience hunger. They have the guns, they can always take food away from Gazans who don't have guns.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Every aid worker on the ground has ben saying for months that there is not enough food - children are starving and dying for lack of food.
If you move from 50+ food distribution sites to 5, and have bloodbaths at them every day, it requires superhuman levels of self-delusion to convince yourself that there is enough food in Gaza.
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Guess who's making those aid sites dangerous?

If it took you more than one guess to get Hamas, think about what you did wrong.
 
Ziggurat said:
Guess who's making those aid sites dangerous?

If it took you more than one guess to get Hamas, think about what you did wrong.
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guess who's job, according to its obligations under International Law it is to keep them safe?
It worked before Israel decided that US mercenaries should do the job.
 
Ziggurat said:
How do you eat?
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My original question still stands, because we need to be looking at the numbers correctly.
Are markets/stores still open? Yes, of course. Bakeries? Absolutely. Restaurants? Undoubtedly.
Is money still changing hands for foodstuffs? Yep.
The question is regarding how many Gazans do not REQUIRE AID, and are able to obtain their sustenance in the regular manner -- to buy it.

MostlyHarmless makes a fairly gaping logical error, by assuming that every man woman and child in Gaza has been deprived of their home by this war (not true). Or that no stores exist. (they do, for sure). Or that there's no electric nor water in Gaza (there is, albeit limited). Or that jobs are non-existent and nobody is working for wages (how is THAT even possible?)

I suppose what I'm saying is --- of the 2.3-million individuals living in Gaza, are there NONE who are able to make-do without being given free meals paid for by others?

I'm just looking at this dispassionately, from a perspective that reveals how the GHF method is more practical and deprives HAMAS of their ability to control (and abscond with) aid distribution, and that more people are getting food due to these 5 sites than under the previous corrupt and patronage-based system of HAMAS and UNRWA.
(which is why the negotiations currently underway for a new ceasefire are stalled, since HAMAS demands CONTROL over humanitarian aid be returned to them again).

www.israelnationalnews.com

Smotrich attacks: Chief of Staff fails in managing distribution of humanitarian aid

Minister of Finance and Religious Zionism party chairman Bezalel Smotrich slams decision to continue Gaza aid: 'A strategic failure endangering IDF soldiers and providing a lifeline to Hamas.'
www.israelnationalnews.com www.israelnationalnews.com

I'm totally rejecting the suggestion that 62-million meals being provided is somehow "inadequate"
 
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arthwollipot said:
What do you think?
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I see good and bad in all and the history is complex. I mentioned 850,000 Mizrahi refugees (i.e. Jews from Arab lands), but apparently this forum and the world isn't interested.

I think there has been a tendency (to put it another way, it is expedient) for Muslim countries to perpetuate the Palestinian refugees crisis (by not absorbing them) as a way to paint Israel in a bad light.

Palestinians have a right to their homeland and so do Mizrahi Jews. Many of those Jews lost everything when they fled or were forced out of Iraq, Morocco, Tunisia, Egypt and Syria etc.
 
Poem said:
I see good and bad in all and the history is complex. I mentioned 850,000 Mizrahi refugees (i.e. Jews from Arab lands), but apparently this forum and the world isn't interested.

I think there has been a tendency (to put it another way, it is expedient) for Muslim countries to perpetuate the Palestinian refugees crisis (by not absorbing them) as a way to paint Israel in a bad light.

Palestinians have a right to their homeland and so do Mizrahi Jews. Many of those Jews lost everything when they fled or were forced out of
Iraq, Morocco, Tunisia, Egypt and Syria etc.
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wouldn't that suggest that they have a right to live in Iraq, Morocco, Tunisia, Egypt and Syria etc, ?
Being forced to fled translates into a Need for a safe haven, not a Right for a specific one.

What rights to their homeland have Palestinians after being forced out by Israel?
 
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