Thermal
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I assumed the mantle. I learned it from watching you.
Transwomen are not Women - Part 15
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Rolfe
Adult human female
That's priceless. But I did actually post JKRs actual hate speech words so that @acbytesla could explain where the hate was. He has not responded.
Since @acbytesla can't find it, here's Joanne Rowling's original tweet that sparked off the tsunami of hate against her as a transphobe.
There is also a very thoughtful article explaining her position in detail. You won't find a word of hate in it.
J.K. Rowling Writes about Her Reasons for Speaking out on Sex and Gender Issues - J.K. Rowling
Warning: The below content is not appropriate for children. Please check with an adult before you read this page. To go back to the children’s page, please click here. This isn’t an easy piece to write, for reasons that will shortly become clear, but I know it’s time to explain myself on an...www.jkrowling.com
Recently she has become quite sarky though.
Rolfe
Adult human female
I don't care what the men's reasons are for wanting to breach our boundaries. I want all of them to stay out, regardless.
Rolfe
Adult human female
Fortunately, I do have force of law, and that has very recently been confirmed. So yes, I rely on both reason (if men go into a women-only space, it ceases to be a women-only space), and the law, which has recently been upheld.
Rolfe
Adult human female
This is actually quite brilliant, and the TRAs on this thread could learn a lot from reading it. They won't, though.
Ziggurat
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Do you understand the legal concept of trespass? It doesn't seem like you do.
Oh, you can have legal enforcement. But there are legal options besides "do nothing" and "criminalize any entry". But you're pretending that there aren't.
d4m10n
Penultimate Amazing
Damn it why couldn't you have asked this before Easter but after Good Friday.
Thermal
August Member
You've mentioned that.
d4m10n
Penultimate Amazing
I don't think we've much discussed whether it's okay to keep cisgender males out.
Thermal
August Member
Ya that was that niggly little distinction that I'm making. That you said you didn't have or even want. Productive day, today.
That is my understanding, yes.
Rolfe
Adult human female
You ask the man to leave, politely. If he refuses, you call management, and possibly security. If he still refuses then he's trespassing, and if he gets really stroppy it turns into a breach of the peace. I wonder if many will take it that far? Quite telling that all the TRAs seem to assume that these men will simply refuse to behave decently when asked, though.
Thermal
August Member
Fair point. I leave you to your ritual suicide thread.
Emily's Cat
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It's not an either or. I can have compassion for people with delusions, without having to affirm their delusion.
My sibling is bipolar, and until their meds got sorted and they got the right kind of therapy, their condition often presented with delusions. Never stopped me from loving them, nor from being compassionate for their plight... but I also didn't agree with them that their spouse and mine were lying about camping in the middle of the desert so they could stargaze and were instead cheating on us.
Thermal
August Member
Yes, and I understand it's force of law very well.
Sure. A hearty finger wag. Ringing a Bobby who might get there after the transwoman has peed, washed her hands, maybe touched up her eyeshadow, and has casually strolled along halfway down the block.
Ziggurat
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No, you obviously don't. It's not a crime to be trespassed.
Emily's Cat
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After 5+ years of non-stop vilification, harassment, and threats... I think Rowling is still incredibly reserved.
Except with India Willoughby, but India brought that on themself.
Thermal
August Member
Yet it quickly can become so, and alternate charges that mean effectively 'trespassing is a crime' are euphamized willy nilly. "With intent to..." is a popular generic one.
Eta: here is a good discussion on how it is not at all criminal:
2024 New Jersey Revised Statutes :: Title 2C - The New Jersey Code of Criminal Justice :: Section 2C:18-3 - Unlicensed entry of structures; defiant trespasser; peering into dwelling places; defenses.
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D2, Ziggurat. Come on, D2...
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d4m10n
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I think it's a fair question to ask anyone who wants to substitute sex-segregation with segregation by self-identification why it would be okay to ask cisgender men to leave the ladies room, and I've seen more than one interlocutor die of rhetorical seppuku making the valiant but doomed attempt to formulate an answer which tallies with their own worldview.
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Thermal
August Member
I agree, oblique as I may have been throughout the thread, which is why I dislike self ID and favor clarifying the sex/gender line ASAP
Emily's Cat
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I give it good odds this is the one. It was pretty much the only one that had good controls in place, and the difference observed was specific to self-perception processing.