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Merged Due process in the US

The _____ Administration is paying El Salvador $6,000,000 to take deportees. I would think that would give the _____ Administration a little leverage over the govt. of El Salvador.
It also means if El Salvador return one to the USA, they will have to pay the money back. And I am betting Bukele and Trump have a private deal going where Donny gets a cut. And Donny ain't gonna cough up his share of the loot.
 
How juvenile. The USA did not harm this guy, and I agree we should request him sent back to the USA. But El Salvador had already said no.
El Salvador doesn't want him. They're contracted to keep him in jail at the US government's instruction. The only reason they're not letting him go is the US told them to jail him.
 

Oh look, another judicial order for Trump to ignore.
 
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You have no evidence that he paid income tax. Day laborers who solicit work at Home Depot are paid in cash and its all off the books.

Had he applied for asylum when he first got here, like he should have, it would have likely been approved and he given a permit to work in the USA legally, with all the wonderful taxes that come with it.

Kinda sad how you guys refuse to acknowledge his many mistakes and poor choices.
I keep accidentally pushing the wrong button or something here, so I'll try again.

I think you're making a big mistake here. It does not matter whether he was a good guy or a bad guy. He might be all the wrong things you assume, or not. The deportation was a mistake, and due process was not followed. And it wasn't just a mistake. It was a flagrant, in-your-face defiance, repudiating due process and retracting promises that had been made. It does not matter if he made poor choices or mistakes. It appears he made some attempt to correct those mistakes. and it does not matter if you or anyone else believes he was a bad egg, or believes that he would have lost his asylum case and been legally deported at the end anyway. Sure, we all get frustrated at times when the system drags on, and what we perceive as justice or the right falls by the wayside. But your argument is the utilitarian ends-justifying-means shortcut of vigilantes, inquisitors and assassins.

Due process is at the root of what makes a civil society workable, and preserves democracy against dictators and fickle zealots. To abandon it is not just an adjustment, it's a revolution, and it's done at our peril. What has occurred is a fundamental violation of trust. We cannot trust that promises we thought were made or rights we thought we had will be honored. It's a warning shot.
 
Yes, centrists carrying water for right-wingers always say that. That's the point.

You know you can actually view their statements yourself, right? Thewy do the age old "both sides are bad" routine. They equate students not wanting their school to host the likes of Milo Yiannopolis or Donald Rumsfeld with people being black bagged off the street.
I have been reading their essays for years, and I read Greg Lukianoff's book. I recommend you do the same, so that you avoid posting such utter nonsense.

Now let's see what they have to say about Harvard, which is why I brought them up in the first place. FIRE wrote, "The letter is unprecedented in its scope. It would essentially render Harvard a vassal institution, subjecting much of its corporate and academic governance to federal directives. If Harvard acceded to these demands, faculty hiring, student admissions, student and faculty disciplinary procedures, university programming decisions, student group recognition processes, and much more would be transformed to align with the government's ideological preferences."
 
https://kottke.org/25/04/palestinian-protester-on-his-way-to-citizenship-test-arrested-by-ice-in-vt

Here's a question for some here. If this is not improper, if this is not illegal and immoral and unamerican...

Why are they hooded and masked?
So the media can't see who it is, find out all the true details, and report that the Trump admin has once again illegally renditioned an innocent legal resident because they are brown. They reason if these victims can't be identified, they can be fairly accused of being terrorists with no come-backs.
 
So the media can't see who it is, find out all the true details, and report that the Trump admin has once again illegally renditioned an innocent legal resident because they are brown. They reason if these victims can't be identified, they can be fairly accused of being terrorists with no come-backs.
Perhaps I wasn't clear: In the link above, the victim is known. The agents are hooded and masked! e.t.a. also armed, in unmarked cars.
 
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Some would argue that coming to a country illegally and working illegally in that country for years, is at the very least a sure sign of dishonesty and total lack of respect for the nation where you live.
Ah yes, the old "a lot of people are saying..."
I have never said he deserves anything other than Due Process. That is the only thing he clearly deserves.
You have been making excuses, for several days now, for him being deprived of due process. We can still see the posts. You've even done it in the post I'm replying to here.
 
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Dear SCOTUS Chief Justice Roberts: In the Oval today Trump & Cabinet defied your order, claimed you ruled 9-0 FOR them AND they all laughed while doing it. They're mocking you and the court. So why don't you just (a) clarify that your 9-0 was not for them but for DUE PROCESS; (b) change your order's language to "expedite" the return of Garcia not "facilitate; and (c) warn that the court shall not be defied without severe consequences...

a bunch of MAGA comments under it....Fox news stuff that the deported man is a "known criminal"
I see that Roberts' legacy of a totally legitimate supreme court is still on course.

He FAFO'ed and now has to enure the consequences of his contribution to the Trampy regime's creation.
 
How juvenile. The USA did not harm this guy, and I agree we should request him sent back to the USA. But El Salvador had already said no.
They put him in prison where he is living in inhumane conditions. If he was just deported of one thing, making every minute of his life torture is immoral.
 
Some would argue that coming to a country illegally and working illegally in that country for years, is at the very least a sure sign of dishonesty and total lack of respect for the nation where you live.
That certainly depends on circumstance at times and in places, and laws are constantly changing. Back in the day, most European countries had very strict barriers to entry, yet many encouraged, say, English language teachers to come teach in their countries. This meant they would be under no contract and were paid under the table, with the police politely looking the other way.

In order to remedy that, it was often necessary to (1) marry a national, (2) return to your home country and apply there for a different visa (big $$$ barrier), then (3) return to a waiting position held open for you with a formal contract offer, (4) once back, apply for legal residence and a work permit, with no guarantee of approval, and then (5) navigate the thorny issue of whether or not there are unemployed nationals who want that job, as mandated by law prior to any approvals, a thorny judgment call left up to bureaucrats without clear criteria and no access to objective data.

So, more often it is the case that immigration and asylum laws are complex, contradictory, and subject to the whims of petty officials holding sway in any gray areas of the law or regulation. Case files move at a glacial pace, while living, breathing humans need bread on the table to get through the waiting period.

Many, if not most, nationals really do look at immigrants as a threat, even when their particular expertise or will to work is in high demand. That's how you get so many immigrants working the fields in the USA; unprotected, subject to whim and abuse, yet absolutely necessary to the proper functioning of the US economy.

I have never said he deserves anything other than Due Process. That is the only thing he clearly deserves.
He also deserves, as does every human, the right to support himself and his family.

Unless, of course, you find a charity willing to finance every apple stolen by a starving immigrant waiting on slow bureaucracies mired in bias and legal uncertainty.
 
This is the stupid ◊◊◊◊ you say that's got people yelling at you. Before long, you'll look the other way when someone gets deported for petty theft or violating curfew.
You keep saying you want due process, then making excuses for those who violate that very process. Make up your mind and stick with it.
The highlighted. When a citizen gets deported for accusations of petty theft.
 
It has surprised me that in the very short time of Trump’s presidency, it has been possible to find thousands of employees for ICE and other agencies who are without conscience, and are happy to execute illegal and arbitrary orders, ripping up families, and ruining lives.

I didn’t think I was naive, but there you are.
 
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It has surprised me that in the very short time of Trump’s presidency, it has been possible to find thousands of employees for ICE and other agencies who are without conscience, and are happy to execute illegal and arbitrary orders, ripping up families, and ruining lives.

I didn’t think I was naive, but there you are.
The first Trump Administration prepared me enough that my surprise has been minimal, I think.
 

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