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Merged Due process in the US

Hercules56 said:
USA gets on the phone:

"hey, send the guy back, we made a boo-boo"

El Salvador says:

"naaa, we will deal with it. He's our citizen, not yours. Thanks".


Now what?
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Who plays the part of "El Salvador" in this scenario you have imagined? Is it the prison, or their government, or their courts? Why would any of them say no because they want to "deal with it"? None of them wants this guy for anything. The idea that any of them would say no suggests you don't grasp why he is in jail in the first place.
 
Jack by the hedge said:
Who plays the part of "El Salvador" in this scenario you have imagined? Is it the prison, or their government, or their courts? Why would any of them say no because they want to "deal with it"? None of them wants this guy for anything. The idea that any of them would say no suggests you don't grasp why he is in jail in the first place.
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Let's see how this plays out.
 
Hercules56 said:
Cuz Tramp is a dick?
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Possibly, if by that you mean the government simply doesn't want to ask, in defiance of courts.

Hercules56 said:
And also cuz this guy came here illegally, worked here illegally, only decided he was in danger after he got pinched.
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Irrelevant. He convinced a court of competent jurisdiction that being sent to El Salvador was dangerous. The court's order preventing him from being sent to El Salvador was properly handed down and has been upheld by the Supreme Court as binding upon the government. The government cannot simply decide out of animus that the orders simply do not apply.
 
Hercules56 said:
Let's see how this plays out.
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Trump is meeting Nayib Bukele right now. Both sides are claiming they can't do anything about it. The US still claims he's a gang member, seemingly for no reason at all, and the Salvadorean president says he has no power to send a criminal to the US. Everyone is washing their hands of it and the guy is still rotting in jail for no reason.
 
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Hercules56 said:
USA gets on the phone:

"hey, send the guy back, we made a boo-boo"

El Salvador says:

"naaa, we will deal with it. He's our citizen, not yours. Thanks".


Now what?
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USA says: we will send no more deportees, and we will stop paying for the ones we've already sent, until you return the one we sent in error.
 
Jack by the hedge said:
Trump is meeting Nayib Bukele right now. Both sides are claiming they can't do anything about it. The US still claims he's a gang member, seemingly for no reason at all...
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That claim could have been properly tested if the deportees had been given the right of due process.

Jack by the hedge said:
...and the Salvadorean president says he has no power to send a criminal to the US. Everyone is washing their hands of it and the guy is still rotting in jail for no reason.
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This is merely a performative exercise to clear themselves of the Supreme Court's order that the government "facilitate and effectuate" Garcia's return. Now the Trump administration can go back to the court and say, "See, we tried, but to no avail."
 
Hercules56 said:
According to international law, who now has full and total jurisdiction over this man?

Not the USA. By mistake or on purpose, he is now out of our hands.

This is now an El Salvadorian matter. We can ask, but we cannot demand. El Salvador is a sovereign nation.
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If that's how little control the US has over its own concentration camp, then everyone involved in the El Salvador fiasco needs to be jailed for life for human rights violations.
 
More performance art. Plausible deniability. Bull ◊◊◊◊ in plain language. Donnie Diapers has no intention of following court orders now, since it appears there is no effective mechanism with which to force him. Even if somehow he would be held in contempt, he wouldn't be the one doing the time, as he has Presidential immunity. And if perhaps AG Blondi were, why would he care? He'd just rail against judges, blahblahblah. He really is king now and for the foreseeable future. There is no rule of law, or rather there is, but only for those people.
 
If Garcia is still alive, he's well and truly ◊◊◊◊◊◊.

Salvadoran President Nayib Bukele said Monday that he did not plan to return to Kilmar Abrego García to the United States. “How can I return him to the United States?” Bukele asked Monday during a meeting with President Donald Trump in the Oval Office. “I smuggle him into the United States? Of course I’m not going to do it.” The comments come a day after the Justice Department told a federal judge that it isn’t required to bring home a Maryland man mistakenly deported to El Salvador. Since Bukele struck a deal with Trump’s administration, he has accepted more than 200 Venezuelans deported from the U.S. in recent months and housed them in his country’s draconian mega-prison.
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Now the Diapered Dictator can start sending Tesla vandals, trans people, political opponents, and people who make fun of his hair, to slave prison.
 
Hercules56 said:
Back to his HOME country. That's the issue.

He was sent home. After waiting years to decide that going home was dangerous.

My issue is that he is in a prison when he may not be a criminal, not that he is in El Salvador. Does El Salvador have no Due Process whatsoever? They enjoy locking up possibly innocent people? Does he have a hearing date with a judge there?
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No the issue is that the Trump government acted illegally.
 
Darat said:
Then what was you asking the equivalent to whether the victim was wearing a short skirt the night she was raped? His actions or non-actions are not the issue.
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His actions before arrest show what kind of person he is, and whether or not he was a good person in our community, and worth of EXTRA effort by the USA to help him.
 
Hercules56 said:
His actions before arrest show what kind of person he is,
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Irrelevant. You might just as well say, "Her dress standards before the rape showed what kind of person she is."

Hercules56 said:
...and worth of EXTRA effort by the USA to help him.
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A court may order "extra" effort to correct a breach, cure a contempt, or any other such thing. The court is further able to find that the U.S. created the crisis it is now in by denying due process to those whom it unlawfully deported.
 
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