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Merged Due process in the US

Hercules56 said:
Yes, court orders should be ignored.

But now he's a Salvadorian national back home.

We dont have very much leverage here. And his behavior in the USA makes it hard to justify making any sort of big effort to bring him back here.

Was he an outstanding member of his community? Did he donate to charity? Walk dogs? Feed the blind? Volunteer at homeless shelters?

Whats soo special about this man that he deserves extra special effort from the USA?
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You may be labouring under a misapprehension that I think this man should be allowed back into the US. That's not the case. I'm outraged that he appears to have been thrown in a Salvadorean jail purely on the say-so of the US, for no good reason at all, and despite a court order which says he cannot be sent to that country.

The US does not need "much leverage here". He's only in jail because the US leveraged him in there. All it needs is for one honest man to pick up the phone and admit they ◊◊◊◊◊◊ up. Does the administration have one honest man?
 
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Jack by the hedge said:
You may be labouring under a misapprehension that I think this man should be allowed back into the US. That's not the case. I'm outraged that he appears to have been thrown in a Salvadorean jail purely on the say-so of the US, for no good reason at all, and despite a court order which says he cannot be sent to that country.
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Agreed. He should not be in any prison without Due Process. The debate seems to be as to how much effort the USA should make to assist this man.
 
Hercules56 said:
Ok, well now he's home.
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Irrelevant. He had a lawful order preventing him from being deported to El Salvador, irrespective of his deportability in any other respect or his country of origin.

Hercules56 said:
Had he made a lot of better decisions, this whole disaster may have not happened to him.
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Irrelevant. The government unlawfully deported him to a place where he should not have been sent.
 
Hercules56 said:
Yes, court orders should be ignored.

But now he's a Salvadorian national back home.

We dont have very much leverage here. And his behavior in the USA makes it hard to justify making any sort of big effort to bring him back here.

Was he an outstanding member of his community? Did he donate to charity? Walk dogs? Feed the blind? Volunteer at homeless shelters?

Whats soo special about this man that he deserves extra special effort from the USA?
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What was so special about the man that made it worth the effort to deport him in the first place? "Omigod, he tried to get work at a Home Depot!" Right, that's just so heinous an act that deportation in the teeth of a court order that forbade it was the only possible and proportionate response. What's special about the man is the court order that protected him from that deportation- you keep trying to make him the issue when it's the law that really is the important one.

When the administration decided that deportation was worth the effort in spite of a court order, they made themselves responsible for making an equivalent effort to fix their mistake.
 
JayUtah said:
Irrelevant. He had a lawful order preventing him from being deported to El Salvador, irrespective of his deportability in any other respect or his country of origin.


Irrelevant. The government unlawfully deported him to a place where he should not have been sent.
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Yeah, well, this appears to now be water under the bridge. He is now in El Salvador, that cannot be undone.
 
Jack by the hedge said:
That's "assist" like taking your foot off someone's neck assists them. They just need to pick up the phone and admit they ◊◊◊◊◊◊ up.
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May not be as simple as you want. He is an El Salvador citizen in El Salvador. We have no jurisdiction over people in their home country. This would require a big favor from his native country. Why would El Salvador do this favor for him?
 
Hercules56 said:
Yeah, well, this appears to now be water under the bridge. He is now in El Salvador, that cannot be undone.
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He's in a Salvadoran jail as the result of a contractual arrangement between the United States and El Salvador. That's not the same as being a Salvadoran citizen in El Salvador just having a jolly old time.

Hercules56 said:
May not be as simple as you want. He is an El Salvador citizen in El Salvador. We have no jurisdiction over people in their home country. This would require a big favor from his native country. Why would El Salvador do this favor for him?
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Because the jail is contractually obligated to the United States regardless of what nation it's in.
 
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