Transwomen are not Women - Part 15

Thermal said:
I've seen one fairly consistent pattern: men and women IME usually answer with support, or 'don't care', except those with those red baseball caps. They don't want to hear about it.
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That's the pattern I'm seeing. I wonder if any of these anti-trans people have the courage to ask people they meet in their day to day lives what they think?

That is just regular people, not people they know through their favorite anti-trans websites.
 
d4m10n said:
You believe that someone who is obviously male but has just today started "their own soul searching" about gender ought to have a (moral or legal) right to enter spaces which were built and designed for the opposite sex.
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I don't remember Thermal ever saying that. Can you quote him doing it?
 
Emily's Cat said:
As for "inappropriate" I'm fairly sure that almost all adults believe that sporting a woody in a business meeting is inappropriate. I'm sure if you thought about it for more than a second you could glean what is meant by that very common term with respect to public erections.
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I do not understand what you mean by "woody" and "business meetings" and what it has to do with involuntary erections. Are we talking about the same issue?
 
Thermal said:
A transwoman answering an everyday call of nature is vastly different than a big bio male strolling in
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In what way are they different than a bio male, given that they ARE bio males?

I mean, you understand that females can't actually read minds, right? We can't magically see into the interior of a male's brain and see whether they genuinely for realsies think of themselves as female, and we can only go by our perception of their actual physicality and somatic indicators, right?
 
Are the people here who equate being trans to a mental disease in favor of conversion therapy to cure trans-people?
 
Thermal said:
Its more interesting to hear why you are so willing to allow transwomen to be hurt. I kinda want everybody to be happy. Except the bigots and those endorsing bigoted justifications.
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On the flip side, it seems that an awful lot of males are quite happy to transfer risk onto females, to increase risk to females... as long as it either a) gets a particular set of males the affirmation and happiness they desire or b) succeeds in excluding those "not quite male enough" males from male spaces.

We don't want transgender identified males to be hurt. But on the other hand, we also don't want females to be hurt and we don't think it's even remotely reasonable to transfer risk onto us when we already bear a rather high amount of risk as is.

Think about it: You are concerned about the well-being of some males who are at risk of being hurt by other males, which I get. But your solution is to put females even more at risk of being hurt by males and you don't seem to care about the risk to females at all. You seem to think we're all just being hysterical and overreacting, maybe we females all just need to calm down, eh? :unsure:
 
Emily's Cat said:
In what way are they different than a bio male, given that they ARE bio males?
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They probably don't have a beard.

They're probably wearing women's clothing.

They're most likely wearing makeup and jewlry.

Their gender identity is woman.

Emily's Cat said:
I mean, you understand that females can't actually read minds, right?
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I understand. That's why I'm confused about the hypothetical trans-man entering a woman's bathroom. He's using the bathroom of his birth gender, right?
 
Emily's Cat said:
On the flip side, it seems that an awful lot of males are quite happy to transfer risk onto females, to increase risk to females... as long as it either a) gets a particular set of males the affirmation and happiness they desire or b) succeeds in excluding those "not quite male enough" males from male spaces.

We don't want transgender identified males to be hurt. But on the other hand, we also don't want females to be hurt and we don't think it's even remotely reasonable to transfer risk onto us when we already bear a rather high amount of risk as is.

Think about it: You are concerned about the well-being of some males who are at risk of being hurt by other males, which I get. But your solution is to put females even more at risk of being hurt by males and you don't seem to care about the risk to females at all. You seem to think we're all just being hysterical and overreacting, maybe we females all just need to calm down, eh? :unsure:
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The nice thing about being a transwoman is that you can't get hysterical. Yet another way in which men are better than women at everything including being women.

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Public urinals have been deemed to be discriminate against women and have, therefore, been removed. But if urinals discriminate against women than sit-down toilettes discriminate against men. In this mishmash of gender identification the so-called trans-gender hooligans have found something else to get hysterical about.
 
Thermal said:
I was going to.mention that for the 864,376th time, but figured I'd give it a miss.
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In order to have one opinion you must also be saying something else and have at lest two more opinions of my choosing, not yours.

Oh, and you also must come up with arbitrary definitions, but ones I pick for you.

These kinds of arguments should just be dismissed out of hand.
 
theprestige said:
We should be so lucky, to return to that standard. With the corollary that women can kick them out the moment they stop passing. Kick them out, with social and legal backing.

I'd accept that standard. Would you?
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The what's this now? Hot trannys fly, but the ugly ones get shown the door?
 
Mycroft said:
They probably don't have a beard.
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Sexist nonsense.
Mycroft said:
They're probably wearing women's clothing.
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Sexist nonsense.
Mycroft said:
They're most likely wearing makeup and jewlry.
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Sexist nonsense.
Mycroft said:
Their gender identity is woman.
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Meaningless, without a sensible, non-circular definition of woman as a gender identity.
Mycroft said:
I understand. That's why I'm confused about the hypothetical trans-man entering a woman's bathroom. He's using the bathroom of his birth gender, right?
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Bad faith argument. Biological sex observed at birth is a thing. "Birth gender" is your unexamined and baseless assumption.
 
Emily's Cat said:
On the flip side, it seems that an awful lot of males are quite happy to transfer risk onto females, to increase risk to females... as long as it either a) gets a particular set of males the affirmation and happiness they desire or b) succeeds in excluding those "not quite male enough" males from male spaces.
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Not quite. What I'm seeing (ironically from all y'alls argumentation).is that "the risk being assigned to females" seems kinda nonexistant, which I had not assumed up front. It's looking more and more like a moral.panic, and the Wikipedia pages I brought up recently confirm it: transwomen are far more threatened by males than females are threatened by transwomen.
Emily's Cat said:
We don't want transgender identified males to be hurt. But on the other hand, we also don't want females to be hurt and we don't think it's even remotely reasonable to transfer risk onto us when we already bear a rather high amount of risk as is.
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I get that, but the risk seems to overwhelmingly come from regular old males, not transwomen.
Emily's Cat said:
Think about it: You are concerned about the well-being of some males who are at risk of being hurt by other males, which I get. But your solution is to put females even more at risk of being hurt by males and you don't seem to care about the risk to females at all.
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That is not remotely what I have said.
Emily's Cat said:
You seem to think we're all just being hysterical and overreacting, maybe we females all just need to calm down, eh? :unsure:
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#NotAllFemales. Just the ones who are envisioning threats not borne out by the facts. And no, not hysterical (where the hell did you get that?). I think it is absolutely coldly and deliberately calculated.
 
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