Does racial disparity= racist policy?

[Hercules56]

I'd have to see the passage you're interpreting, to have a decent answer. What part of the Civil Rights Act Voting Rights Act are you interpreting this way? What's the original text?

The Voting Rights Act basically said that ALL new voting laws in the southern states and some other states, were to be viewed as inherently racist, and they had to prove before a federal court that the intent and result of the new law would not have a racist outcome. They didn't even wait for racial disparity to develop due to the new law they simply assumed the law would be racist and it had to be proven that it was not.

 

[theprestige]

The Voting Rights Act basically said that ALL new voting laws in the southern states and some other states, were to be viewed as inherently racist, and they had to prove before a federal court that the intent and result of the new law would not have a racist outcome. They didn't even wait for racial disparity to develop due to the new law they simply assumed the law would be racist and it had to be proven that it was not.

Yeah, but a moment ago you were talking about the Civil Rights Act. So I'd very much like to see the exact passages you have in mind, and why you think they say what you say they say.

Especially now that you're flatly contradicting the context and purpose of the act as I understand it.

The VRA didn't assume all new laws were racist a priori. It assumed that the states in question couldn't be trusted to create equal voting laws without federal oversight. So the question you're asking is moot. Even the VRA says that each new law must be examined on a case by case basis.

 

[Olmstead]

I don't know, I prefer basketball.

 

[catsmate]

The Civil Rights Act basically says that if an outcome has a racial disparity, such as voting districts, it shall be assumed that it is racist by design.

As you are well aware that's not what you claimed.

 

[Thermal]

I don't know, I prefer basketball.

Pickleball is all the rage.

 

[Hercules56]

Im glad that nobody here feels that racial disparity in results PROVES racist intent and design.

 

[Thermal]

Im glad that nobody here feels that racial disparity in results PROVES racist intent and design.

It's like anything else. It *can* prove it, or might not. For sure you should look very closely at any grouping with a strong disparity, and make sure you understand why.

No black guys in the NHL? How many tried out? What were their stats? Why didn't many try out in the first place?

 

[Brainster]

i think that the stats were eerily similar supports that black players weren't getting the same opportunities as white players. black qbs weren't worse, they were just as good, just not given opportunities. coaching is the same, very few opportunities, when they get them some succeed and some fail.

well this season was a record 15 of 32 starting qbs were black, still not quite proportionate but certainly better from a full off season of headlines over how controversial it is for 1 or 2 from just decades ago.

regardless of how you feel about whether or not black people can do these jobs and it's simply meritocracy in action or there's a racial element, the only reason i brought it up was to point out how much more complex it is than 70% of the league is black boom roasted

Warren Moon pretty decisively settled the question of whether or not Black people could do the job at QB; Doug Williams and Russell Wilson settled the question of whether they could win the big game, and Mahomes has settled the question of "can they lead a dynasty?" But yeah, I agree that comparing the % of Black signal callers to the rest of the players in the league is silly; to borrow Thermal's point, the NFL doesn't recruit its QBs from a pool of the rest of the league, they recruit them from the pool of college football QBs.

 

[dirtywick]

that's also where the coaches come from, where the tommy tuberville's of the world are in charge of recruiting.

 

[zooterkin]

Im glad that nobody here feels that racial disparity in results PROVES racist intent and design.

I hope you've not got a naked flame near all that straw...

How about providing the actual text that you think we should be discussing?

 

[Brainster]

that's also where the coaches come from, where the tommy tuberville's of the world are in charge of recruiting.

Tuberville's pretty much an idiot, but he did recruit and start Jason Campbell and eventually sent him to the NFL, so even he wasn't above using a Black QB if it was the best option.

 

[dirtywick]

well i think it’s at least illustrative of whether racism in sports starts and stops at how they can they be racist when they started a black guy.

 

[Puppycow]

The Civil Rights Act basically says that if an outcome has a racial disparity, such as voting districts, it shall be assumed that it is racist by design.

Do you have any evidence to support this claim?

According to the Civil Rights Act, if the results of a policy or civil service exam shows some sort of disparity in race or ethnicity, it shall be assumed that the policy or exam is inherently and by actual design, racist.

Or this one?

 

[Puppycow]

"Professional sports" nowadays are mostly a meritocracy. But it was not always thus. Prior to 1947, no negro was able to play major league baseball, regardless of their skill at the sport. They were relegated to the so-called "Negro Leagues."

The parts of the Voting Rights Act that I think you are referring to did not make such broad claims as claimed in the OP, and in any case they are now a dead letter as the Supreme Court basically ruled that those parts were now obsolete (and maybe unconstitutional) because the places they covered were no longer racist so it wasn't fair to treat them differently than the rest of the country anymore. In 1964, things were quite different than they are today.

 

[Donal]

So you're suggesting that the number of applicants to a job plays a major role in if their racial disparity in a position is a result of racism?

I think a lot of Progressives would argue that the number of applications is immaterial. All that matters is that if blacks do not represent around 50% the number of teachers, Doctors, firemen, police in a community where they make up say 50%....then there MUST be racism afoot and some sort of remedy must be created, including hiring quotas and reperations.

can you show a single one saying that?

 

[Donal]

The Voting Rights Act basically said that ALL new voting laws in the southern states and some other states, were to be viewed as inherently racist, and they had to prove before a federal court that the intent and result of the new law would not have a racist outcome. They didn't even wait for racial disparity to develop due to the new law they simply assumed the law would be racist and it had to be proven that it was not.

You know they didn't just randomly select those states, don't you? They were all states with a very recent history of using seemingly innocuous laws to stop black people from voting. That whole "Jim Crow" thing.

 

[Hercules56]

According to Executive Order 11246, if personnel at a Federal contractor do not match the general racial makeup of the population, it is assumes that racist policies are afoot and the company MUST take affirmative action to increase their representation of women and racial minorities.

Executive Order 11246 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[dirtywick]

how did we survive 60 years of that kind of tyranny

 

[Thermal]

According to Executive Order 11246, if personnel at a Federal contractor do not match the general racial makeup of the population, it is assumes that racist policies are afoot and the company MUST take affirmative action to increase their representation of women and racial minorities.

Not really. It says employers should "take affirmative action to ensure that applicants are employed, and that employees are treated during employment, without regard to their race, creed, color, or national origin."

 

[Brainster]

well i think it’s at least illustrative of whether racism in sports starts and stops at how they can they be racist when they started a black guy.

In the post I was responding to, you directly implied that black QBs don't get recruited by coaches like Tuberville. Now you're deliberately ignoring that point so you can claim you won the argument. Yay!