Transwomen are not Women - Part 15

d4m10n said:
You missed my point entirely: The burden of proof remains upon the claimant.
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Oh, I get that. But you're still not getting me. My point is, you're treating this like it doesn't matter to you what the truth is unless the other person can prove their claim. And I'm saying that you're wrong about that.
 
Pixel42 said:
What percentage of sexual predators are willing to say they're trans in order to get easy access to their prey?
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If the percentage of trans-women who are sexual predators is not significantly higher than the general population, then there's no good reason to keep trans-women out of women's prisons.
 
Ziggurat said:
My point is, you're treating this like it doesn't matter to you what the truth is unless the other person can prove their claim. And I'm saying that you're wrong about that.
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I disagree, at least when it comes to these sorts of discussions about public policy.

Activists advocating for moving transwomen convicts into women's prisons carry the evidential burden to show that those people will not substantively impact the population being housed, for example, by making the estate significantly more (sexually) violent. This they cannot do, because even the most careful studies (e.g. https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885) reveal "no statistically significant differences from other natal males" as noted above, and the differences between males and females are why they are housed separately in the first place. Other less scholarly examinations suggest that MtF transitioners may be even more violent than the larger set of natal males from which they were drawn, but those are most likely confounded by self-selection effects due to voluntary self-i.d., again, as noted above.
 
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Hercules56 said:
If the percentage of trans-women who are sexual predators is not significantly higher than the general population, then there's no good reason to keep trans-women out of women's prisons.
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Not even if they are known sexual predators, and in prison for sexual crimes.
 
Hercules56 said:
If the percentage of trans-women who are sexual predators is not significantly higher than the general population, then there's no good reason to keep trans-women out of women's prisons.
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If the percentage of trans-women who are sexual predators is greater than that of women, that's a good reason to keep trans-women out of women's prisons.
 
If the percentage of men who are sexual predators is not significantly higher than the general population, then there's no good reason to keep men out of women's prisons...
 
Ziggurat said:
No it ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ doesn't. Why would it? Oh, this woman is safe being a cell mate with a rapist male because he raped a 14 year old and she's 25? Are you ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ kidding me?
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So where should we put women prisoners who are sex offenders?
 
angrysoba said:
Come on, this just looks like lazy smearing.

The people involved are not trans.
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I didn't say they were trans. Re-read my post. Here, I'll save you the trouble of having to click back up:
Emily's Cat said:
There are quite a few more out there - we keep finding that the people advocating for "trans youth" and developing the teaching materials that highlight transgender ideology end up being child abusing pedophiles.

Not every trans-associated person is a pedo... but there are an awful lot of pedos among them, and they're involved in shaping the narratives and policy pushes for how children are treated. They keep being invested in "gender affirming care" for minors, by which they mean puberty blockers, chemical castration, and surgeries that lock them into child-like undeveloped bodies.
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angrysoba said:
Instead of just saying "Burn the lot of them" and leaving everyone to figure out who or what is being referred to, maybe be clear and specific about the problem, and have some clear policy proposals.
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Pedophiles. It means pedophiles. Specifically, pedophiles who are complicit with actively grooming children, shaping education, and convincing oversight bodies that sterilizing kids and locking them into a pre-pubescent body is somehow a good thing for those kids.
 
d4m10n said:
Where and when did he do that?

No evidence of his transgender activism has been presented here, only his involvement in a group known as Stonewall Youth Project which was renamed LGBT Youth Scotland in 2003. This really is choose-your-own-adventure time, or maybe we can flip a coin twice to decide which letter bears the blame.
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Oh FFS, damion. Stonewall has been a focus of discussion in this thread for years, don't play dumb now. You know damned good and well that the overwhelming focus of Stonewall and its offshoots is transgender advocacy.
 
Hercules56 said:
So where should we put women who are sex offenders?
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Why are you trying to change the subject? Female sex offenders are not equivalent to male sex offenders, so there's no reason to assume that we need to treat them the same way. Unless you want to talk about trans men sex offenders and what to do with them, the issue of female sex offenders is off topic.
 
Rolfe said:
I'm not sure it will be obvious to everyone why this article is relevant to the topic under discussion, but this is what the author is referring to.

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I absolutely get it. It applies to this discussion... but also to several other topics.
 
d4m10n said:
Again, crime statistics won't tell us anything about actual transwomen if you allow unscrupulous criminals to opt in to womanhood during a criminal trial or thereafter during a period of incarceration. For the stats to be useful, you'd have to restrict the dataset to perpetrators having some official paperwork indicating a desire to change gender prior to committing a relevant offense. You have never done this.
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Great.

What is an "actual transwoman"? And how do we tell who is and who is not one?
 
d4m10n said:
If you get the chance, have a look at the entire PDF. You might be surprised to find quotes like this: "The group had no statistically significant differences from other natal males, for convictions in general or for violent offending."
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You might want to read that quote in its context

ETA: But you did exactly what I expected you would do, cherry pick things out of context, and hand-wave everything else away because it doesn't comport with your preferred narrative.
 
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