Split Thread Diversity Equity and Inclusion and merit in employment etc

[Brainster]

So ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ childishly petty.

You mean par for the course for Trump?

 

[EHocking]

You mean par for the course for Trump?

Sub-par, perhaps.

He cheats at golf too.

 

[Hlafordlaes]

Trump's cabinet is clearly based on political considerations, not merit. His invitation to White South Africans to emigrate to the US, and his comments that he'd like "more Norwegians" as immigrants, are blatantly racist. Right-wing bloviating about DEI is racism, not a concern for merit. If it were, Trump's cabinet of ignorant, untrained, inexperienced and unqualified sycophants would be a prime target for complaint. Instead, it is celebrated. There are no reasonable "fairness in hiring" or "meritocracy" cases to be made in favor of Trump's policies, none. All mere gaslighting by KKK fangirls pining for a return to unearned privilege and an easy, lazy leg up.

 

[arthwollipot]

Mu. Find some primary sources. Then we'll talk.

The post cites primary sources. Let's talk.

 

[steenkh]

Only a chump approves of threads on woke Twitter.

So Bluesky is woke Twitter?

Thanks. I think I’ll ask Danish government agencies to stop using X (Nazi Twitter) and start using Bluesky instead.

 

[Emily's Cat]

That's exactly what I'm saying you're doing, yes.

Then what you're saying is manifestly wrong, as I'm doing no such thing. This attempt at blatant mischaracterization is neither effective nor clever nor subtle.

 

[Emily's Cat]

This was posted by an American friend of mine on Facebook.

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Your american friend is providing you with false and materially misleading information.

DEI is NOT about reasonable work accommodations, which are covered under an entirely separate and already existing set of regulations. Removing DEI training and compulsory behavioral BS does not affect any of those things at all. DEI is also not about pay equity, transparency, or harassment - those are already regulated and have been for decades.

I'm curious why your facebook friend feels that they need to lie about what is impacted by removing DEI training? Is DEI so bankrupt that they feel they can only convince people to support if it they pretend it's about something different?

 

[Emily's Cat]

I'm still struggling to tell the difference.

In most companies, PTO will accrue up to a set maximum amount, and it carries over from year to year - you can bank PTO in 2025 for example, and use it for a long vacation in 2026. And while it's not true of every employer, most companies allow employees to sell back unused PTO days in exchange for cash. This often happens when someone is retiring, and sometimes when they leave the company want the cash instead of the time.

Floating Holidays, on the other hand, are "use-it-or-lose-it". In that regard, they're much more similar to corporate holidays, where everyone gets the day off, but if you work that day for some reason, you can't "bank" Thanksgiving holiday and use it in March of the following year. Floating Holidays also can't be sold back for cash instead of used.

For employees, there's not a ton of difference. Pretty much you just end up with a day that you get for free, but you have to make sure you take it or you lose it.

For employers, it makes a difference in terms of financial liability. Employers have a liability for accrued PTO days that can often extend across multiple years as a rolling liability. Floating Holidays have a much lower liability, if any.

 

[Emily's Cat]

In the US if your company is generous enough to allow you time off, and even more generous in that they'll pay you for it, you still sometimes have to justify why you're taking the day off. If your employer accepts the reason they may graciously allow you that day. If not, then they won't. A floating holiday vs a PTO day means you're admitting it's just for fun, and they won't have to demand a doctor's note or a court document to prove you're taking off for a good reason.

If this sounds idiotic and childish it's because it is: Americans, even at good employers, are treated like wayward children who have to be monitored.

And of course a floating holiday request can be denied.

Most employers don't treat their employees in the way you describe.

Hourly employees are often expected to provide a distinction between vacation and sick time, even if it's all lumped in as PTO. This is generally because if someone isn't present for work, someone else needs to do extra work or schedules need to be juggled. If you take vacation, it's usually planned ahead of time, and you let your employer know ahead of time so they can schedule appropriately. If you get sick, they might end up short-staffed or have to pay someone else overtime to cover. But even hourly employees only get asked for doctor's notes if they appear to be abusing the system and taking a lot of unplanned time off that causes problems for everyone else. It's not a standard approach outside of a few industries that are almost exclusively hourly with very high turn-over and a lot of people who just don't show up for work.

Salaried employees in most industries are rarely asked for supporting documentation unless there's a pattern that causes a performance issue.

Both hourly and salaried should provide court documents if you've been tapped for jury duty so that you get paid by your employer for your civic duty (although it's a ridiculously low amount).

 

[Emily's Cat]

And how on earth does it promote diversity, equity or inclusion?

It doesn't. Arth's facebook friend is basically lying and they're making a massive leap that because some people will use the floating holiday to cover non-christian religious observances it's some kind of "inclusion" effort. But it's not, and floating holidays have been around in a lot of industries for decades.

It's crazy, I know... but without having DEI rammed down our throats, the vast majority of employers already give consideration to non-christian religious holidays, cultural observances important to immigrants, fair and equal pay, reasonable accommodations for disabled individuals, preferential hiring for disabled veterans, no tolerance for workplace harassment, and all of the other things that Arth is pretending are all going to evaporate into thin air and drop us back to 1830.

These are things that we've had for almost my entire life, but Arth seems under the impression that they've only been newly instituted, and that they're only present at all because Ibram X. Kendi told us all that we're all racists and have to spend the remainder of our days atoning for the sins of our great-great grandparents.

 

[Emily's Cat]

Instead, they're shutting down everything that smells of diversity, equity or inclusion.

No, we're not. You are either misinformed or are mischaracterizing the situation.

 

[Emily's Cat]

The floating paid holiday is inclusive because it allows people who recognise holidays other than Christmas and Easter to take those days off instead.

In addition, not instead.

 

[Emily's Cat]

This is your anti-DEI. Do you approve of this?

Charles Ornstein (@charlesornstein.bsky.social)

Unquestionably, major policy changes, edicts and directives handed down by the new Trump administration will upend lives. But I've also been struck by the widespread efforts to erase/whitewash history. Stick with me for a pretty shocking series of events from just the past few weeks.

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No I don't approve of malicious compliance. Absolutely NONE of what that person lists is in any fashion required or even suggested by any of the roll-backs of DEI EOs from Trump. This is all things that butthurt crybullies are doing in order to get people angry and incite civil unrest.

 

[Emily's Cat]

I know someone with a disability who has been able to get a job paying normal pay rates. This was only because of government funding to get it started.

Elaborate. ADA is unaffected by anything Trump has done. Minimum wage is a set wage that doesn't get reduced if someone has a disability. On the other hand, accommodations are expected to be reasonable - and if the someone you know has a severe enough disability that it precludes them being able to perform the fundamental requirements of the job, that's an entirely different issue than DEI.

For example, one of our close friends has a child who is now mid-40s, but is severely mentally disabled. This child has a 'job' at a local retailer, where they sweep the floors and assist with unpacking things, but they need to be supervised the whole time. The job is partially (not completely) funded by the local Special Olympics group, because it helps give these people some sense of independence and responsibility. And that's a great thing, I fully support it as a charitable endeavor. But this child would never be capable of holding down a job on their own, they're simply not cognitively competent enough.

 

[steenkh]

Trump will probably think that handicapped (i.e. losers) getting jobs, are examples of giving jobs to the least qualified, and could cause plane crashes.

 

[arthwollipot]

Trump will probably think that handicapped (i.e. losers) getting jobs, are examples of giving jobs to the least qualified, and could cause plane crashes.

He certainly thinks that. And Emily's Cat is wrong about just about everything. I hope Emily knows better than her cat.

 

[Lithrael]

Minimum wage is a set wage that doesn't get reduced if someone has a disability.

Let me introduce you to:

Subminimum Wage! (Hyaa!)

Subminimum Wage

www.dol.gov

See top section, Employment of Workers with Disabilities.

There's rules that are supposed to make it not take blatant advantage of the workers but it's one of those things where enforcement often (usually) doesn't really happen as such.

 

[Emily's Cat]

He certainly thinks that. And Emily's Cat is wrong about just about everything. I hope Emily knows better than her cat.

Your mind reading skills never fail to astonish.

 

[Emily's Cat]

Let me introduce you to:

Subminimum Wage! (Hyaa!)

Subminimum Wage

www.dol.gov

See top section, Employment of Workers with Disabilities.

There's rules that are supposed to make it not take blatant advantage of the workers but it's one of those things where enforcement often (usually) doesn't really happen as such.

Apparently I needed more clarification, but whatever. Physical disabilities don't reduce wages, cognitive disabilities can be handled in very different ways, eg my disabled friend whose work isn't what they're living off of - they cannot live alone. It's a job because it provides some sense of independence and accomplishment to have a job and have some income.

 

[arthwollipot]

Apparently I needed more clarification, but whatever. Physical disabilities don't reduce wages, cognitive disabilities can be handled in very different ways, eg my disabled friend whose work isn't what they're living off of - they cannot live alone. It's a job because it provides some sense of independence and accomplishment to have a job and have some income.

And now that the anti-DEI machine is in full swing, they'll be out of a job soon.