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Split Thread Diversity Equity and Inclusion and merit in employment etc

Do you think that Sasha and Malia are representative of the African American population as a whole?

There has always been a privileged class of African Americans. They are not what DEIA is concerned about. Rich people always have more opportunities than poor people.
And yet those wealthy black people are the ones who benefit most from DEI policies. Those policies focus on surface level skin color but they don't address socioeconomic factors in a reasonable way at all.

Why do you think African Americans are overrepresented in the demographics of people who are struggling at or below the poverty line?
Do you want a real answer or one that fits your ideological view?

The real answer is two-fold. First is a consistent destruction of the black family unit by urban policies that end up providing larger benefits to single mothers than to married couples, and those social support policies are largely driven by and supported by progressives. It might well be unintentional, but the actual outcome has been to incentivize single-parenthood in urban areas. And there are more black people in urban areas than in rural ones. The second is that the cost of living in those urban areas is considerably higher than in rural areas, so an urban family at or near poverty struggles more than one out in the sticks. Combined with that is that in rural areas with high levels of poverty, there's also (usually) a higher degree of communal cohesion and everyone is in poverty together, and to some degree they help each other out in ways that don't happen in urban areas.
Why do you think the suicide rate is higher among transgender youth than among the general population?
Because there is a significantly higher rate of pre-existing mental health disorders, particularly anxiety and depression, among youth who end up identifying as transgender. There is a fair bit of support for the hypothesis that among many youth, transgender identification is a coping mechanism used to mask childhood trauma rather than a primary cause in and of itself. The suicidality among transgender identified youth is the same as it is among other youth who have the same prevalence of mental health issues and childhood trauma. The suicidality results from those issues, not from being transgender.
Why do you think people in wheelchairs have problems getting around?
Seriously? Because their legs don't work. This one is like asking "Why do you think short people have trouble reaching the top shelves".
Here's a hint: if you'd learned Critical Race Theory you'd know.
If you'd studied critical race theory, you might have some idea how fraught with tautologies it is, as well as being a pile of steaming marxist garbage ;)
 
An engineer friend was part of this little tale:

After a lecture on fluid dynamics, she stood up and asked a question.

The lecturer said: "Don't worry your pretty little head about things like that."

A male student immediately stood up and asked the same question.

The lecturer said: "Oh well, if the MEN need further explanation on that point." and proceeded to expand on the area he'd skipped over in the lecture.

At my uni (next door) we heard that more than one hundred students put in formal complaints about the lecturer.
Something similar when I was in college, in a computer programming course. I had a question about recursion, and asked the professor after class. The professor literally said "Little girls shouldn't be messing with computers" and walked away. I was so floored it didn't even occur to me to complain.

I still wonder whether I might have gone into computer science had I not had such an awful experience in this intro class.
 
And yet those wealthy black people are the ones who benefit most from DEI policies. Those policies focus on surface level skin color but they don't address socioeconomic factors in a reasonable way at all.


Do you want a real answer or one that fits your ideological view?

The real answer is two-fold. First is a consistent destruction of the black family unit by urban policies that end up providing larger benefits to single mothers than to married couples, and those social support policies are largely driven by and supported by progressives. It might well be unintentional, but the actual outcome has been to incentivize single-parenthood in urban areas. And there are more black people in urban areas than in rural ones. The second is that the cost of living in those urban areas is considerably higher than in rural areas, so an urban family at or near poverty struggles more than one out in the sticks. Combined with that is that in rural areas with high levels of poverty, there's also (usually) a higher degree of communal cohesion and everyone is in poverty together, and to some degree they help each other out in ways that don't happen in urban areas.

Because there is a significantly higher rate of pre-existing mental health disorders, particularly anxiety and depression, among youth who end up identifying as transgender. There is a fair bit of support for the hypothesis that among many youth, transgender identification is a coping mechanism used to mask childhood trauma rather than a primary cause in and of itself. The suicidality among transgender identified youth is the same as it is among other youth who have the same prevalence of mental health issues and childhood trauma. The suicidality results from those issues, not from being transgender.

Seriously? Because their legs don't work. This one is like asking "Why do you think short people have trouble reaching the top shelves".

If you'd studied critical race theory, you might have some idea how fraught with tautologies it is, as well as being a pile of steaming marxist garbage ;)
Arth isn't talking about CRT in theory and practice. He's talking about an idealized form that exists alongside the Platonic solids and my girlfriend from Canada.
 
How long ago and in what country was this?
Seven years ago, in the US. In an extremely progressive part of the country to boot. I relocated to a very conservative part of the country... and I work for a company with a female CEO, 70% female workforce, extremely diverse staff, and no notable sexism or racism. It's a weird dichotomy, I saw more actual legitimate racism and sexism from progressive people in a progressive location... and far less of it from conservatives in a conservatives location.
 
Seven years ago, in the US. In an extremely progressive part of the country to boot. I relocated to a very conservative part of the country... and I work for a company with a female CEO, 70% female workforce, extremely diverse staff, and no notable sexism or racism. It's a weird dichotomy, I saw more actual legitimate racism and sexism from progressive people in a progressive location... and far less of it from conservatives in a conservatives location.
Out of curiosity, which of those companies, if any, had a formal DEI program?
 
Out of curiosity, which of those companies, if any, had a formal DEI program?
The prior one did although the naming varied. The current one only instituted one in the last couple of years... and except for a few glaring idiocies, it's been a bit of a soft-sell. It's been pretty clear that it's there because it's expected, and a company that didn't have one would end up with bad press.

Glaring idiocies being things like... a module on implicit racial bias talking about how much discrimination black females face for having natural hairstyles, while having all of the actors and photos in the module be extensions and straightened hair - not a single natural style among them. Which is a shame, I always thought natural hair looks fantastic. On the other hand... if my hair would just stay where the ◊◊◊◊ I put it, I'd have a much more interesting hair-do, so no judgement on personal choice from me.
 
Think about that for a moment. I mean really think about it. By suggesting that we're making the default setting on competence a "white" thing, you're implicitly saying that anyone who isn't white is innately less competent... and that therefore we need to reduce the expectation of competence.
That's exactly what I'm saying you're doing, yes.
 
The prior [progressive] one did although the naming varied.
So the causal map has three nodes: progressivism, sexism, and DEI. It raises the questions of how those nodes should be connected and in which direction the arrows would run.
 
What's a "floating paid holiday"? It sounds like it just means days off work.
To borrow from Google's AI overview -

A "floating paid holiday" is a single paid day off that an employee can use on any day they choose, often for cultural or religious celebrations, while "PTO" (Paid Time Off) is a broader category of paid leave that encompasses vacation days, sick days, and personal days, which can be used more flexibly but typically need to be planned in advance and may accrue over time depending on company policy; essentially, a floating holiday is a more specific type of leave that gives employees greater flexibility to choose a single day off, while PTO provides a pool of days to use for various reasons throughout the year.
 
What's a "floating paid holiday"? It sounds like it just means days off work.
Most employers give you the day off, with pay, for some of the big national holidays. Thanksgiving and Christmas, for example. These don't count against your accrued vacation time.

Some employers give you one or more additional paid days off, that you can use at your discretion, again without using any of your vacation time.

It's the fact they don't count against your vacation time that distinguishes them.
 

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