Cont: Luton Airport Car Park Fire IV

I drive a 2014 Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV, Aspire, (A plug-in full hybrid) coloured 'Artic Silver' a nifty pale blue metallic colour.

Seriously, this is not hard.

Unless you're lying.

Again.

Ford Maverick. I gather it's called a mild hybrid in the UK. The color, as described at the dealership is "Area 51". It's a sort of metallic blue/grey. That must mean I'm part of a plot. Honestly, I'd imagine the color "Area 51" to be the sort of twilight purple you get when the last daylight fades.
 
Also:
Quote:The driver used two fire extinguishers in a bid to put the fire out.
What?
The driver didn’t do a runner and leave the firefighting to two Romanian women as Vixen claimed?

The Romanian lady and her friend were left to find another extinguisher on another level but soon gave up. The driver seems to not have been around as of that stage. The story going around was that he dashed into the airport and asked staff to deal with it as he had to catch an important flight. He wasn't arrested for quite a few days and was released on bail. He was not completely cleared and taken off bail until March, six months later. So much for the police and fire brigade solving the case by 10:00 11 October 2023.
 
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[Delete, thanks to Jay's heads-up. I've fallen behind.]
 
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I have a hybrid and it is registered on Traficom as a 'petrol' car.

Specifically the 4th, as she doesn't claim a mild hybrid. But in reality she doesn't have a hybrid, given that when she starts her car she presses the clutch. Perhaps she imagined the clutch?
While it would have been much easier for Vixen to clarify things in her first post, I think she has much more fun trolling the forum with vaguely worded tidbits to generate a larger pile-on.

Anyway.
Vixen's claims about her car, while irritating, are not necesserily untruths, e.g.,

Vixen claims she drives ;
1. a manual transmission, hybrid car that is
b. classified in Finland for car tax as a petrol car. Additionally
iii. it is possible that you may not be able to discern if the car is a hybrid from its dash display.

All entirely feasible.

1. If it is a manual transmission "hybrid", it can only be a mild hybrid, often referred to as an MHEV. These cars have electric motors and batteries that supplement the petrol engine when accelerating and also restart the petrol engine when it is in stop/start mode (e.g., engine shuts off when car is stationary).

b. MHEV motors in this configuration cannot propel, or "drive", the car in full electric mode, they only suplement the ICE. Since they never drive in electric mode, it is quite reasonable for the Finnish Transport and Communications agency to classify the car as a "petrol" car.

iii. Since the battery/electric motor never work as the sole power source in a powertrain independent of the ICE and are simply recharged (usually under braking), there is little need for those elaborate dash displays that full hybrids "need". The display is mostly likely a simple battery icon showing when the battery is being charge and/or when it is holding charge.
Such as those icons shown in this explanation of dash lights.

So, while it would have been much simpler for Vixen to tell us this, rather than trolling us for pages and pages, the descriptions Vixen has given of the car she drives, though painstakingly extracted from her, are all characteristics of a petrol engined MHEV.
 
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MG4 SE SR, phase 1 (the model that doesn't have a rear wiper). Bought new on 13th April 2023. (Fully electric.)

Did I mention how completely over the internal combustion engine I am? Fetishising the compromises and work-rounds of the ICE is the mark of an idiot.
 
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So, while it would have been much simpler for Vixen to tell us this, rather than trolling us for pages and pages, the descriptions Vixen has given of the car she drives, though painstakingly extracted from her, are all characteristics of a petrol engined MHEV.

Having painted herself into a corner over her hybrid car claim, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if she now says she was talking about a mild hybrid all along, and that she "mis-spoke" or something.
 
Citation required.

Somebody on Twitter. As it was i Liverpool at New Year and attendees likely came from all over the northern part of the UK it seems reasonable to me that they would have such a system fitted. (However, these are perfectly safe if fitted correctly.)

If instead it was 'a dodgy A LPG conversion' how come the driver was never charged with some offence or other?
 
Yes, I have—by people who were evidently conspiracy theorists. Back when I limited my debunking to the Apollo space missions, I received two overt threats: one death threat and one threat of indeterminate harm. I reported them and luckily they came to nothing. I've had two people call up my business and try to get me fired. That would be hard, since I own the business with partners.

Despite that, I can tell you I drive a black 2015 Audi A3 2.0 L turbo, four-door with a petrol engine and a Tiptronic transmission. Further, the fire services can identify the make, model, and year of the vehicle in the Luton fire, yet we still don't know who owned it or was driving it at the time, so we can't stalk him.

You have forgotten that I—not you—am the expert in how to write reports for public consumption that were developed according to information provided in confidence, under privilege, or under restriction. No one knows who you are or where exactly you live. I'm telling you that revealing the make, model, and year of your car does not subject you to undue personal risk. No one is asking for further information that would identify the individual vehicle, and therefore you. You're being asked for generic information about the model.



Lie.

We asked for the make, model, and year. You've told us the model year is 2023. You've told us it's of Japanese make. But you still haven't told us the make and model. There is no concept of reality in which you have identified "exactly what type of car" you're talking about.



No.

Identifying your vehicle type is not personal information. Your fear of being stalked as a result is irrational.

You have not told us what we need to know for information purposes. You have purported that you drive a hybrid. Yet your description of how you operate that hybrid is unlike anything else known, and contrary to the engineering principles that pertain to hybrids. Thus your claim cannot be take as trivially or self-evidently true. It requires further investigation before it can be believed. Your unwillingness to provide the necessary information is strong evidence you do do not want that investigation to happen. From that we can reasonably infer that you believe the investigation would produce information that would be detrimental to your claim. Therefore it's reasonable to presume your claim is false.

Your boundaries are irrelevant. When you invoked your personal experience to support your claim, you made that experience discoverable. Insinuating just enough "personal information" to support your argument but not enough to allow others to verify it while preserving your anonymity is dishonest, and typical of your other dishonest patterns of argumentation.

All the actual evidence in the Luton fire—and it is strong evidence—supports a finding that the initial vehicle was a diesel powered vehicle and not any sort of EV or hybrid. Contrary to all this evidence, you propose that the vehicle was nevertheless a hybrid. To answer the contravening evidence, you propose that the owner (and presumably driver) was utterly unaware that he was driving a hybrid. (You're completely unable to answer how the fire services allegedly misidentified the powerplant, but we'll save that for another day.)

Your hypothesis regarding the driver is absurd on its face. But to try to blunt some of that absurdity, you've said that obliviously driving a hybrid must be accepted as possible because you do it. You claim you drive a hybrid, that driving it is indistinguishable from driving an ICE-powered car, and that it has a clutch and manual gearbox that so many of us (including me) love to drive. You don't state it explicitly, but implied in your argument is that such a car would have a lithium ion battery capable of burning down a car park.

But to people who know hybrids, no such car exists. That is, either you're making it up, or your description of what it is and/or how it works is inaccurate or incomplete. In any case, you don't get to expect your critics just to take your word for it. Once again your argument rests upon your unverifiable claims to personal authority. If you don't like people asking you about your personal experience, stop basing your arguments on it.

Ironically, you can completely divorce your argument from personal experience by giving us the make, model, and year of the car you're talking about. That lets us evaluate your claim based on what we can discover about the car on our own, rather than having you chase you constantly around Grievance Grove and Evasion Alley. Since you refuse to give us the information required to evaluate your claim, and it faces substantial countervaling evidence, we have to dismiss it.

But there's a lingering issue about why you would stoop to conjuring up magical hybrid designs. It's not to actually solve better the Luton fire's initial cause. That's been done. The evidence is in, and it's conclusive. It's not because you're "curious" or "just asking questions." Inventing fantasy cars isn't about getting new information from the scenario; it's about injecting questionable information into the scenario.

So why are you coming up with patently absurd lines of reasoning to keep alive the idea that it's still somehow a hybrid? I'm certain it's because you can't let go of the smoke-and-flame argument. You want it to still somehow be an operative claim, some purported anomaly that you were clever enough to spot and which hasn't been specifically addressed by the experts. There's no actual controversy, since the "anomaly" exists only in your uninformed imagination. But you can't let it go. It's still always all about you, not what really caused the fire.

For goodness sake. If you want to know how I was stalked and how even thinking about it causes massive trauma, you need to start a thread on it, and I dare say, the mods would have to put up a box warning it would strongly trigger anybody even reading it. She-eesh. I have told you what type of car I have. Full stop.
 
Having painted herself into a corner over her hybrid car claim, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if she now says she was talking about a mild hybrid all along, and that she "mis-spoke" or something.

Citation please of where you claim I 'misspoke'.

Please reflect on whether it is ethical behaviour to falsely accuse people of wrongdoing and promulgating your scurrilous claims on social media, hoping others will pick up on them as some kind of 'good fun'.


Also consider how you would feel if someone spread disgusting lies about you at every opportunity.
 
For goodness sake. If you want to know how I was stalked and how even thinking about it causes massive trauma, you need to start a thread on it, and I dare say, the mods would have to put up a box warning it would strongly trigger anybody even reading it. She-eesh. I have told you what type of car I have. Full stop.

No, you haven't. Your original claim makes no sense, so people have asked for make+model, which is very reasonable.
 
Citation please of where you claim I 'misspoke'.

Please reflect on whether it is ethical behaviour to falsely accuse people of wrongdoing and promulgating your scurrilous claims on social media, hoping others will pick up on them as some kind of 'good fun'.

Also consider how you would feel if someone spread disgusting lies about you at every opportunity.

I didn't. There's an "if" in my post.
 
MG4 SE SR, phase 1 (the model that doesn't have a rear wiper). Bought new on 13th April 2023. (Fully electric.)

Did I mention how completely over the internal combustion engine I am? Fetishising the compromises and work-rounds of the ICE is the mark of an idiot.

This is another reason I don't tend to share personal stuff because it almost always turns into a humble bragging competition between the various participants. And it is not very interesting to know who owns what outside of the context of a topic.
 
People don't see the 'If' (as in OJ Simpson's bio) If I DID IT.

Just stop it.

His post was quite clear. He wouldn't be surprised IF you said such-and-such. Anyone with a third grade reading level would understand that he isn't accusing you of saying such-and-such.
 
For goodness sake. If you want to know how I was stalked and how even thinking about it causes massive trauma, you need to start a thread on it...

No. It's the excuse you're using to avoid meaningful participation in this thread, so this thread is where I will challenge you. As many people have demonstrated, there is no threat to your anonymity in disclosing the make, model, and year of the car you drive. Since you have made it the basis of your argument, you are obliged to do so.

I have told you what type of car I have. Full stop.

No. You've described it vaguely. What is the make, model, and year of your car?
 
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Stop constantly falsely accusing me of wrongdoing. Stop judging others by your own standards.

Please reflect on whether it is ethical behaviour to falsely accuse people of wrongdoing and promulgating your scurrilous claims on social media, hoping others will pick up on them as some kind of 'good fun'.

Stop whining.

Also consider how you would feel if someone spread disgusting lies about you at every opportunity.

I assume you're talking about the stream of lies you keep spreading about me and Carol Vorderman. For sure we must be talking about your pages-long conspiracy theories in which you accuse all kinds of people of nefarious deeds for nothing more than your own amusement.

You're not the victim. You're not being mistreated. You're not being falsely accused. You do not hold the high moral ground.
 
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This is another reason I don't tend to share personal stuff because it almost always turns into a humble bragging competition between the various participants. And it is not very interesting to know who owns what outside of the context of a topic.

Nice try. People are demonstrating how it is no threat to their anonymity or safety to provide the kind of information you've been asked for, and therefore how your objection is unreasonable.

What would be more interesting is for you to tell us the make, model, and year of your car, since you made its evidently magical properties the basis of your argument that the Luton fire could still have been caused by a hybrid. I'll admit I'm not interested in your constant whining about how badly you think you're being treated.
 
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