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Trump 2.0 won't be as bad as they say

Skeptic Ginger said:
On top of all that Trump was incredibly corrupt. For example: he funneled COVID mask money to a crony who had no experience or even the facilities to manufacture masks. The list is endless.

Then don't forget how incompetent he was when the COVID pandemic arose.
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Exactly, if something Covid-like or worse hits again, do we really want someone who struggled to string two coherent sentences (or words) together as Chief Executive? In charge of the Nuclear Codes? And the argument that those decisions will be delegated to people around him is even scarier--he will probably appoint Putin as his chief advisor on Foreign Policy.
 
ahhell said:
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A second trump term will be a lot worse than the first but still not as bad as some of you think. But then, I'm delusional because I don't think Trump is the antichrist.
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I don't think he is the Antichrist as real being--since I believe the Antichrist is a myth--but comparing to the mythology, he certainly has the *potential to be the Antichrist. I think the obvious hurdles he would have to face in becoming that biblical figure (which he probably aspires to be) is his advanced age and rapidly declining cognitive ability. So he wouldn't actually have the mental ability to figure out a way to get all merchants tattooed with '666' on their heads, for example. But his mental instability is what will make the hypothetical second term worse. Because it will lead to *global* instability. I think many, including the OP, are struggling to envision what could happen with a verifiable lunatic in charge of the most powerful, influential nation on earth. It's like trying to wrap your head around Quantum Mechanics. So yeah, who knows, maybe lunacy would lead to a revolution in which sanity and prosperity prevails--but I really don't want to test the hypothesis!
 
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He will be much, much worse, I believe. With the ego boost he will feel even more powerful and invincible. I am actually nervous. He has already proven to be one of the most dangerous men to ever walk the earth. With him reacting to winning, the very highest he will get - because it is a powerful drug of his - and like it is a drug, I don't like thinking about the horrors he may visit upon us all if he wins.

He can't win, just NO!
 
If he wins, he will have his congressional lackeys find a way he can have a third term...and a fourth, fifth...until he dies. He desires to be el presidente for life. But not for the power and the glory. It's to keep his great pasty ass out of jail forever. That, and that alone, is his motivation.
 
Norman Alexander said:
If he wins, he will have his congressional lackeys find a way he can have a third term...and a fourth, fifth...until he dies. He desires to be el presidente for life. But not for the power and the glory. It's to keep his great pasty ass out of jail forever. That, and that alone, is his motivation.
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I really doubt that.
That would mean ripping up the constituion, and even some GOPers will balk at that.
 
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dudalb said:
I really doubt that.
That would mean ripping up the constituion, and even some GOPers will balk at that.
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Yeah, right. Because after trying to extort foreign governments to create fake scandals about his political rivals, accepting millions of dollars of payments from other countries, inciting a riot in an attempt to illegally stay in power, and a zillion other things in between, "ripping up the Constitution" would be the line that Republicans balk at.

Face facts, the GOP is all in on overturning democracy to achieve their ends. There is no "line" that will make them stop.
 
dudalb said:
I really doubt that.
That would mean ripping up the constituion, and even some GOPers will balk at that.
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Some? Try basically all of them.

And even if you don't accept that they'd oppose a third term on principle, does anyone doubt that they'd do it to keep Obama from running again?
 
Ziggurat said:
Some? Try basically all of them.

And even if you don't accept that they'd oppose a third term on principle, does anyone doubt that they'd do it to keep Obama from running again?
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They would welcome Obama running again! Why? Because the whole reason they embrace Trumpism is they know it will overturn Democracy and institute the theocracy or autocracy they desire. The whole point of Turmpism is to "clean up the elections" which is just another way of saying "deny all people of color, as many women as possible, any and all immigrants, etc" the right to vote! That is the entire mantra of the Trumpist movement--it stands for redefining wrong as right, unjust as Justice! It's why Trump, who insists the last election was blatantly stolen from him, will do everything blatantly possible to steal this election. If he is elected, he will use his 'mandate' to ensure that the next 'election' will be run in a way that is comparable to the 'free and fair' elections in Russia. And anyone who vehemently points out the corruption will end up 'mysteriously' falling out of a window somewhere. The GOP obviously doesn't care. If the Bush family, the Reagan family, the Romney's, the Cheneys even Mike Pence who nearly was hung as a result of their leader, cannot convince them to stand up to the insanity, no one and nothing will.
 
stanfr said:
They would welcome Obama running again!
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No, they wouldn't. Obama was popular with voters.

If he is elected, he will use his 'mandate' to ensure that the next 'election' will be run in a way that is comparable to the 'free and fair' elections in Russia.
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The president has almost no power to affect how elections are run. Even congress has little power in this regard, it's mostly up to the states.

And anyone who vehemently points out the corruption will end up 'mysteriously' falling out of a window somewhere.
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Go touch grass. This level of paranoia isn't healthy.
 
There are guardrails in place to prevent Trump from acting on his worst instincts. Everything will be fine. Trust me.

- Trump voter
 
johnny karate said:
There are guardrails in place to prevent Trump from acting on his worst instincts.
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Are you claiming that there aren't? Are you claiming that the only thing that prevents Biden from becoming the tyrant you think Trump will become is his good instincts?

Because if you think that's the current situation, if you think that we only haven't turned into a dictatorship because the presidents so far have been unwilling to, then the problem really isn't Trump, the problem is the system itself. And I don't see you addressing that problem.
 
Ziggurat said:
No, they wouldn't. Obama was popular with voters.
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Of course! All the voters (immigrants, minorities, women, young people...) who the GOP will do everything possible to keep from voting next time. And if they succeed, they will claim this proves that Obama wasn't really popular at all, it was all an illusion created by the Dems illicit voters, you know, all those dead ones and illegal aliens.


The president has almost no power to affect how elections are run. Even congress has little power in this regard, it's mostly up to the states.
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Yep, and in case you haven't noticed, there are more red states than blue!
And if Trump gets his mandate, his stranglehold on the states will be boosted incredibly. The cowards in the GOP are already showing their cards--witness how even Trump's arch enemy Kemp in Georgia recently cow towed to their Supreme Leader. All they care about is maintaining power, if Trump is their vehicle they will embrace him. That is his "power"


Go touch grass. This level of paranoia isn't healthy.
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Well I was using a degree of hyperbole to illustrate a point.
You can call it paranoia all you like. The more unhealthy position is to ignore just how dangerous this lunatic is. I could list the thousands of reasons why he is so dangerous, but I might be wasting my time. So do yourself a favor and read a transcript--any transcript--of Trump's lates speeches, or his latest social media posts. Then ask yourself if this person should be leader of the most powerful nation on earth. I've voted in 40+ years of Presidential elections--even the very worst had no where near the level of mental issues this fiend has. His words and actions speak for themselves.
 
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a_unique_person said:
Every day that passes, Trump does his best to convince me it's going to be worse than I anticipated. He is bouncing off the walls now.
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That's just it--it is obvious mental illness. You don't need to be one of the 50 psychiatrists who recently updated their book on this subject to recognize it--just listen for yourself. It's this unpredictable and crazy behavior that should open people's eyes. The NYT finally ran a story on it the other day, but the MSM is still walking on eggshells, they've all been gaslit by the Narcissist in Chief.
 
Ziggurat said:
Are you claiming that there aren't? Are you claiming that the only thing that prevents Biden from becoming the tyrant you think Trump will become is his good instincts?

Because if you think that's the current situation, if you think that we only haven't turned into a dictatorship because the presidents so far have been unwilling to, then the problem really isn't Trump, the problem is the system itself. And I don't see you addressing that problem.
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Well you are right to an extent, there are problems in the system. And the cancer that is Trump is not so much Trump himself, it's a slow burn that has built up for decades, just exacerbated by a greater Right Wing machine and social media in recent years. It's Rush Limbaugh on steroids. It's not so much Trump that is the problem--its his many many supporters, many of whom have never visited a Skeptic's forum and they don;t have the slightest clue how to separate fact from fiction--they swallow every meme they read without even a bit of critical thinking. Trump has taken advantage of that disease. It's why, despite OVERHWELMING facts that demonstrate that the last election was fair--the majority of his supporters believe it was not. So all he has to do is be supportive of their fears by amplifying them, and he is in like (Mike) Flynn.
But before *any* of these problems can be addressed, the main tumor has to be removed, or it will continue to metastasize. If you don't recognize how insidious this cult is, I wish you had been with me this afternoon, as I watched a parade of a couple dozen white trucks waving ******* Biden and "Save America flags, blaring their horns, raising their fists in a quasi Hitler salute, road down the main street of my mixed political town today. They are crazy! And their craziness revolves around their allegiance to their perceived Savior, who many--many more than you might imagine--literally believe is their God-delivered Deliverer.
 
Rush was never part of the system. The system is the government.
 
jimbob said:
Andm if Trump wins and packs the SCOTUS even more, and makes sure to only perform illegal activity as POTUS, what is there to stop him?


If the saving grace is that he might become incapacitated and hand over to Vance, I'm not feeling entirely reassured.
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How.... Is he going to do that?

All Judges up for replacement are Republicans, and they are all fanatics already.
 
dudalb said:
I really doubt that.
That would mean ripping up the constituion, and even some GOPers will balk at that.
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Yes, we saw that in the torrent of condemnation from Republicans everywhere when Trump called for the termination of all rules, regulations and articles, including those found in the Constitution.

Oh, wait, no... turns out they were all OK with that suggestion.

Dave
 
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