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Trump 2.0 won't be as bad as they say

Tarifs as a bad idea no matter who proposes them. Donald Trump or Bernie Sanders. That was one of the reasons i was never a Bernie fanboy.
 
arthwollipot said:
The suggestion that a second Trump presidency wouldn't be as bad as the first is based on the completely unevidenced idea that he has changed.

He hasn't changed. He will never change.
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The argument is if the second term will be worse then the first since alot of the controls in place last time will be gone. He included a lot of "Establishment Republicans" in his first adninstrattion, which acted as a check, that will not happen this time.
 
I Am The Scum said:
It's like if the guy down the street with a stockpile of weapons has threatened to shoot you and your entire family multiple times, but then your neighbors say, "Don't worry! He has really bad aim. You'll be fine."
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“Let’s invite him over for dinner!”
 
arthwollipot said:
The suggestion that a second Trump presidency wouldn't be as bad as the first is based on the completely unevidenced idea that he has changed.

He hasn't changed. He will never change.
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He has changed: he's become more mentally ill and dangerous.
 
ahhell said:
Good think about tarriffs they are as bad if not worse for the rich as they are for the rest of us.
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Where did you draw this conclusion from? Tarriffs, likes sales taxes, fall most heavily on those who spend the highest percentage of their income on purchasing goods. And that isn't the upper class (there won't be tarriffs on country club memberships or stock purchases).

That is the thing, he will have nobody around to say no. I suspect the career bureaucrats will do their best to avoid implementing his....agenda. In the end I bet a bunch will end up resigning. And do I really want the bureaucrats being the folks standing between us and Trump.
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Trump has promised to re-implement Schedule F, which will allow him to replace a much larger fraction of the federal workforce than current civil service regulations allow. So there might not be a whole lot of "career bureaucrats" left who are high enough in the org chart to have the power to not implement Trump's agenda. Nor can most federal employees afford to resign.

In the end I do think he's going to have a hard time getting anything but the tarriffs through and abandoning Ukraine and Tawain.
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Those would be bad enough. If China were to take over Taiwan, it would control the majority of the computer chip production in the world.
 
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The Great Zaganza said:
I would like to challenge the sentiment that a second Trump Term would be devastating.
I have seen little beyond vehement statements that it must be so, that Trump has now learned how to hire the right people and how to navigate politics for maximum damage, empowered by a Supreme Court that will let him do whatever.

I think this is misguided on multiple levels.

1: a lot of the damage to important causes such as orderly immigration,, female bodily autonomy, Chevron Deference, Presidential Immunity has occurred without Trump being in office, with Governors and the Supreme Court doing not less than what he would/could do in Office.

2: A Trump Deux would be a Lame Duck from the start: not even he would think that there is a way for him to get a third term. Republicans would look at the chasm they are approaching when Trump is definitely gone and look for replacements. Being in Office will create far more divisions in the GOP than being out of it. This will be amplified by Trump's efforts to make a Legacy for Himself, with no regard to what the Party wants.

3: looking at 2028, it is undoubtedly better for Democrats to lose to Trump now, and have four years of people seeing the result, than of four years of Harris getting little done in a divided Congress. A Democrat Win would undoubtedly feel like "another Steal" to the Republican Base, making it even harder to get them out of their Trump Lockstep, with of without Trump.

4: since Trump, the World has gotten ready to do its things without the US, with this Administration doing what it could to take Ukraine Aid out of the hands of the Presidency; and it would be very uncharacteristic for Trump to support Israel more than Biden is doing, at least not without a big Quid pro Quo.

I think that most evocations of impending doom are the result of Democrats reusing the playbook that got Biden elected.
But Trump 1.0 wasn't The End, so it sounds shrill to voters when Democrats insist that Trump Deux definitely will be.
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Interesting to see what people have to say about this.

I disagree. The democracy thing? Ukraine? Both are existential. Particularly the first.

Sure, 2028, what you say, possible. But I'm looking at it from a wider perspective than merely Reps vs Dems. Trump is vile, and represents a threat to democracy, that no other is likely to. Nothing's impossible, but I don't think anyone else, and not Vance either, will try the quasi-dictator thing.

I mean, they may do other things, Reps who might come after. Including even the abortion thing. But that's politics, that's democracy, even the abortion thing. But Trump? He's vile beyond just differences, even fundamental differences. And he represents a real existential threat to democracy and freedom. (And come next term he'll be dead, or at any rate not a candidate, I'd be very surprised if that happened.)


...Although I get the sense you're just playing Devil's Advocate here? Either way, should be interesting to see what people have to say.
 
acbytesla said:
Who's to say? I've never been able to predict the future. I unfortunately didn't fill out my requisition for a crystal ball.

What I do know is people didn't have a clue about the damage Hitler could do before it was too late.

And NAZI Germany isn't just some wild outlier, the same is true about Stalin in the USSR, Franco in Spain, Mussolini in Italy, Mao in China, Pol Pot in Cambodia, Pinochet in Chile, Robespierre in France, Amin in Uganda, Saddamm Hussein in Iraq . Or Putin in today's Russia. A half a million of Russia's young men are dead because of Trump's buddy in Moscow. The list goes on and on of wannabe dictators getting power and damaging their countries for decades.

I can only go on what Trump and MAGA politicians have said they will do. Which is pretty god damn horrible.
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Yep, this
 
ahhell said:
Good think about tarriffs they are as bad if not worse for the rich as they are for the rest of us.
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Tariffs, unless they are specifically on luxury goods are, like sales taxes, regressive because the less affluent you are, the more of your income you spend (as opposed to save or invest).
 
He's a loose cannon. The 6th of January shows what he is capable of. He had some people in his administration who were actually conservative and kept him in line. He's stated repeatedly he won't make that mistake again.
 
johnny karate said:
Phase One: It's ridiculous to think Republicans are fascist.

Phase Two: It's ridiculous to think Republicans will be able to accomplish their explicitly stated fascist goals.

Phase Three: Fascsim isn't so bad.
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Yup
 
The Great Zaganza said:
but the US has.
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Andm if Trump wins and packs the SCOTUS even more, and makes sure to only perform illegal activity as POTUS, what is there to stop him?


If the saving grace is that he might become incapacitated and hand over to Vance, I'm not feeling entirely reassured.
 
On top of all that Trump was incredibly corrupt. For example: he funneled COVID mask money to a crony who had no experience or even the facilities to manufacture masks. The list is endless.

Then don't forget how incompetent he was when the COVID pandemic arose.
 
acbytesla said:
I think you're delusional.
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I'm delusional because I think he will be very bad but not quite as bad as you think, good to know.

Resume said:
He is clearly embarrassed to have been beaten by Biden.
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Yes, that in my opinion is the primary reason he's running.

arthwollipot said:
The suggestion that a second Trump presidency wouldn't be as bad as the first is based on the completely unevidenced idea that he has changed.

He hasn't changed. He will never change.
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It will be worse, I thought I was clear about that, but not as bad as the most hysterical folks think. I think a second trump term will be very bad, I don't think he will end democracy in America though. He is the Gracii brothers to Ceasar.

TellyKNeasuss said:
Where did you draw this conclusion from? Tarriffs, likes sales taxes, fall most heavily on those who spend the highest percentage of their income on purchasing goods. And that isn't the upper class (there won't be tarriffs on country club memberships or stock purchases).
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How do rich people make their money? mostly by selling things to not rich people. Anything that hurts poor people also hurts rich people. But wait, I forgot that economics is a zero sum game, and if there are losers there must be winners.

To be less argumentative, I am like scientists, befuddled by any rich people that support Trump. He is chaos and chaos is bad for business.
Trump has promised to re-implement Schedule F, which will allow him to replace a much larger fraction of the federal workforce than current civil service regulations allow. So there might not be a whole lot of "career bureaucrats" left who are high enough in the org chart to have the power to not implement Trump's agenda. Nor can most federal employees afford to resign.
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Part of my point, he'll have to kinds of people to implement his vision; yes men and incompetents. I don't want incompentence to stand between me and dictatorship, but I'm pretty sure it will.


Those would be bad enough. If China were to take over Taiwan, it would control the majority of the computer chip production in the world.
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I agree. That is more than bad enough and not even the most bad part of a Trump second term.

Hans said:
Think? I can assure you he is delusional
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Good to know.

jt512 said:
Tariffs, unless they are specifically on luxury goods are, like sales taxes, regressive because the less affluent you are, the more of your income you spend (as opposed to save or invest).
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Tarriffs are bad, even on luxury goods, but his opposition doesn't seem to think so.

I honestly don't get any of this. A second trump term will be very bad, probably not as bad as some folks think. A little like the first trump term. It was bad, but we aren't a fascist dictatorship already so, some folks were a bit overheated in their rhetoric the last time. Some folks are a little over heated in their rhetoric this time. To be fair, some folks seemed to think Romney would mean the end of democracy in America and some folks seemed to think Obama would be the end of democracy in America.

A second trump term will be a lot worse than the first but still not as bad as some of you think. But then, I'm delusional because I don't think Trump is the antichrist.
 
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Mary Trump on Uncle Donnie and Elon Musk:
“Donald Trump has always been for sale,” Mary Trump wrote in a Substack post on Saturday.

“Given this decades-long pattern, it’s not surprising that the world’s richest fascist, South African jumping bean Elon Musk, would also be interested in purchasing a few shares in a man who is willing to sell whatever he can get his hands on —whether it’s steaks or American national security — because he values money more than anything,” she added.
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Stacyhs said:
The amount of 'head in the sand' denialism I'm reading here from some members about the extent of damage another Trump presidency can, and likely will do, is mind boggling. Trump is not only a malignant narcissist, a greedy, pathological liar but devoid of empathy or concern for anyone or anything other than himself. He's a vengeful, hateful, petty man-child. I'd say open your damn eyes but the old adage "None is so blind as he who will not see" is being proved yet again.
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^^^THIS!
 
arthwollipot said:
The suggestion that a second Trump presidency wouldn't be as bad as the first is based on the completely unevidenced idea that he has changed.

He hasn't changed. He will never change.
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Well actually, he HAS changed...much for the worse. His malignant narcissism basically snapped when he lost in 2016. He is FAR more mentally unstable now, the degree of sociopathic rhetoric has increased exponentially. The bottom line is that, as a mentally unwell person, far more mentally unwell than he was 4 years ago, he poses a far greater threat to society because of the unpredictability of it. And his fanbase is far nuttier than they were 4 years ago. I literally just watched about 12 white trucks drive by outside, with redneck wannabes raising their fists, hundreds of '**** Biden" and "Save America" flags waving in the wind, blaring their horns. Not a cult?? Sure.... This was NOT the case 4+ years ago, I know because I've been watching. If these lunatics are emboldened by a Trump victory, all bets are off, there is no predictability, the OP's argument is a worthless pile of *******. He needs to be put in a jail cell, where he clearly belongs, so that his fanbase can attempt to regain their brainwashed minds.
 
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