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I predict civil war in the USofA: make your predictions here!

shemp said:
If it is war, it won't last long. And the federal government won't need to fire an offensive shot. Why? Because of economics.

Imagine a day when President Harris issues executive orders regarding seceding states:

  • Telecommunications companies ordered to cut off all service.
  • Banks ordered to cut off all banking services and freeze access to all bank accounts.
  • Investment firms ordered to cut off access to stock and bond trading and freeze access to all investment accounts.
  • Closing the new borders to all crossings, including shipments of food, oil, gasoline, medicine, etc. Exception: Refugees.
  • Ordering all national and regional businesses to close all offices and franchises in the seceding states and to stop paying employees.

And also:

No other country (except maybe Russia) will recognize the seceding states.

The seceding states will find it nearly impossible to organize into a nation. Small, closed economies don't fare well.

When the people of the seceding states get hungry and sick enough, they'll change their minds and beg to come back. Their hoarded gold, food and fuel won't last that long.

And if they do try to organize an army and fight, they'll get squashed flat. Very few fools in the U.S. Armed Forces will join them, knowing that they may be subject to conviction as a traitor and end up on the wrong end of a rope.

So you do these things, and you tell the leaders of the secession that they have 30 days to come back, or they are subject to being on the wrong end of the rope as well.

What you DON'T do is attempt to negotiate with them and solve this peacefully. You must deal harshly with them and make them suffer consequences.

There will NOT be a war. People like Rhonda Santis and Greg Abattoir and other politicians talk big, but they know where their bread and butter comes from.

There will be gangs of militias and weekend warriors who will carry out acts of terrorism. They can be dealt with.

So everybody cut the Civil War ****. I know, I used to say it too, but I thought about it, unlike some on this board who consider themselves to be skeptics.
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If it does go down a secession route like the original civil war, the US government should appoint a new Grant and Sheridan, and this time let them finish the job.
 
Orphia Nay said:
Right-wingers always conflate the opportunistic thugs who vandalised and looted shops during the BLM protests with the peaceful protestors.
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They have to do the "both sides do it" to justify any and all the trashy things that they do. They will equivocate jaywalking to murder to justify murder.
 
Orphia Nay said:
Right-wingers always conflate the opportunistic thugs who vandalised and looted shops during the BLM protests with the peaceful protestors.
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johnny karate said:
No prominent figures on the left valorized the looters and arsonists who infiltrated the BLM protests. They were widely condemned.

Meanwhile, several prominent Republicans have called the January 6th insurrectionists serving rightfully earned prison sentences “political prisoners” and Trump has promised to pardon them if he gets re-elected.

Maybe have yourself a good hard think and see if you can discern a distinction.
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If they don't see the differences between the BLM protests and Jan. 6 that you pointed out, it's because they have nothing else. A false equivalency is better than nothing in their minds.
 
Thermal said:
The protests in 2020 were social. Everyone were getting a little sick of cops murdering black people. A precious few Conservatives were in there, as was anyone who objected to murdering black Americans, and welcome. Not a lot of MAGA hats in sight, oddly enough.

The scum that trashed the Capitol in 2021 were political. They brought out their Confederate traitor flags to drive their point home and everything.

The two are not comparable. The former were Americans being pissed off about injustice, as we get sometimes. The latter were anti-Americans who really want to do things like kill black people.
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That does not excuse the violence during the BLM protests.
 
Stacyhs said:
If they don't see the differences between the BLM protests and Jan. 6 that you pointed out, it's because they have nothing else. A false equivalency is better than nothing in their minds.
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I agree to a point. ANybody who riots and breaks the law should be prosecuted.
BUt at least the BLM protest had a letitimate greviens, even if the rioting the occures was wrong. The Jan 6th was based on BS.
 
dudalb said:
I agree to a point. ANybody who riots and breaks the law should be prosecuted.
BUt at least the BLM protest had a letitimate greviens, even if the rioting the occures was wrong. The Jan 6th was based on BS.
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No they didn't. The notion that cops are just shooting up unarmed black people willy-nilly is a lie.
 
Ryan O'Dine said:
You know who's going to start the next civil war? Ken Burns. He's running out of material, and we should all be very very afraid.
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He is working on a series on the Revolutinary War right now. No Joke.
And a majority of his documentaries have not been specifically about wars "Baseball" "Jazz" "The Rossevelts" and "Muhammed Ali" as examples.
 
Trausti said:
No they didn't. The notion that cops are just shooting up unarmed black people willy-nilly is a lie.
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BS. But I expected no better from you, frankly.
BTW your statement that a state can just vote to suceed:
Been tried, did not work. Every here of the CIvil War.
I think you have demonstrated very well where you are coiming from and it is a very ugly place.
 
psionl0 said:
Are you predicting that a number of states will secede from the US, form their own federation and have to go to war with the remaining US to prevent them from being forcibly incorporated into the US again?
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As the guy this thread is aimed at, I think a second Civil War in the US would resemble the Spanish CIvil War of the 1918/1923 version of the Troubles in Ireland then the American Civil war. All civil wars do not involve sucession.
I see people are not getitng my point that massive use of force by a Trump adminstration could cause armed resistence goes over the head of many people.
 
dudalb said:
BS. But I expected no better from you, frankly.
BTW your statement that a state can just vote to suceed:
Been tried, did not work. Every here of the CIvil War.
I think you have demonstrated very well where you are coiming from and it is a very ugly place.
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What BS? Lefties and BLM types have this belief that thousands of unarmed black people are killed by the police every year. But the actual number is less than 20, and in most of those cases the suspect assaulted the cop or reached for the cop's gun. And the fact that the Civil War stopped state secession 160 years ago isn't really the point. I'm observing that there isn't going to be the political will today to stop a state seceding. Young men today are just not going to care.
 
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Trausti said:
What BS? Lefties and BLM types have this belief that thousands of unarmed black people are killed by the police every year. But the actual number is less than 20, and in most of those cases the suspect assaulted the cop or reached for the cop's gun. And the fact that the Civil War stopped state secession 160 years ago isn't really the point. I'm observing that there isn't going to be the political will today to stop a state seceding. Young men today are just not going to care.
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I see you think the opinions and feeling of People of Color have no standing in your America.
Final bit about sucession is just plain wrong.
Why do I suspect some Neo Confederate views are responsible.
 
shemp said:
If it is war, it won't last long. And the federal government won't need to fire an offensive shot. Why? Because of economics.

Imagine a day when President Harris issues executive orders regarding seceding states:

  • Telecommunications companies ordered to cut off all service.
  • Banks ordered to cut off all banking services and freeze access to all bank accounts.
  • Investment firms ordered to cut off access to stock and bond trading and freeze access to all investment accounts.
  • Closing the new borders to all crossings, including shipments of food, oil, gasoline, medicine, etc. Exception: Refugees.
  • Ordering all national and regional businesses to close all offices and franchises in the seceding states and to stop paying employees.

And also:

No other country (except maybe Russia) will recognize the seceding states.

The seceding states will find it nearly impossible to organize into a nation. Small, closed economies don't fare well.

When the people of the seceding states get hungry and sick enough, they'll change their minds and beg to come back. Their hoarded gold, food and fuel won't last that long.

And if they do try to organize an army and fight, they'll get squashed flat. Very few fools in the U.S. Armed Forces will join them, knowing that they may be subject to conviction as a traitor and end up on the wrong end of a rope.

So you do these things, and you tell the leaders of the secession that they have 30 days to come back, or they are subject to being on the wrong end of the rope as well.

What you DON'T do is attempt to negotiate with them and solve this peacefully. You must deal harshly with them and make them suffer consequences.

There will NOT be a war. People like Rhonda Santis and Greg Abattoir and other politicians talk big, but they know where their bread and butter comes from.

There will be gangs of militias and weekend warriors who will carry out acts of terrorism. They can be dealt with.

So everybody cut the Civil War ****. I know, I used to say it too, but I thought about it, unlike some on this board who consider themselves to be skeptics.
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Are you sure dudalb is talking about states seceding?

"Civil war" just means a war between citizens of the same country.

civil war /sɪvl ˈwɔː / ▸ noun a war between citizens of the same country: they signed a peace accord ending the country's 12-year civil war [mass noun] the country is on the brink of civil war.
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I don't think most people are assuming like you that the topic is about secession.
 
No state will dare to rebel. Not after we demonstrate the power of this station.
 
dudalb said:
I see you think the opinions and feeling of People of Color have no standing in your America.
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That BLM lie lead to 4K excess black deaths.

dudalb said:
Final bit about sucession is just plain wrong.
Why do I suspect some Neo Confederate views are responsible.
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The US population is not what it was 160 years ago. How may young men do you know who will die for honor?
 
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