I predict civil war in the USofA: make your predictions here!

[Thermal]

And that justifies/excuses all the destruction in 2020 because?

Or is your "logic' that two wrongs make a right?

Maybe we're headed to civil war after all with these kind of dazzling mentalities flourishing....one "side" blames the other for all the problems of the world while theirs is glorious and holy and never does any wrong.

The protests in 2020 were social. Everyone were getting a little sick of cops murdering black people. A precious few Conservatives were in there, as was anyone who objected to murdering black Americans, and welcome. Not a lot of MAGA hats in sight, oddly enough.

The scum that trashed the Capitol in 2021 were political. They brought out their Confederate traitor flags to drive their point home and everything.

The two are not comparable. The former were Americans being pissed off about injustice, as we get sometimes. The latter were anti-Americans who really want to do things like kill black people.

 

[Orphia Nay]

Right-wingers always conflate the opportunistic thugs who vandalised and looted shops during the BLM protests with the peaceful protestors.

 

[johnny karate]

And that justifies/excuses all the destruction in 2020 because?

Or is your "logic' that two wrongs make a right?

Maybe we're headed to civil war after all with these kind of dazzling mentalities flourishing....one "side" blames the other for all the problems of the world while theirs is glorious and holy and never does any wrong.

No prominent figures on the left valorized the looters and arsonists who infiltrated the BLM protests. They were widely condemned.

Meanwhile, several prominent Republicans have called the January 6th insurrectionists serving rightfully earned prison sentences “political prisoners” and Trump has promised to pardon them if he gets re-elected.

Maybe have yourself a good hard think and see if you can discern a distinction.

 

[Craig4]

I see no evidence that the Gravy SEALS and Ya'all Qaida with their knock-off AR-15s and cool guy rigs could coalesce into real combat power. It takes more than shopping out of the 5'11 catalog to make an army.

That said, I see the possibility of individual acts of violence if Americans win the election. There's also a possibility of violence, probably worse than what happened in Portland if the enemy wins the election. When saw what their kind are like when CBP and the Federal Marshals rioted against the Americans there.

 

[Gulliver Foyle]

Will the right-wing army have uniforms designed by Hugo Boss?

His non-union Mexican equivalent, maybe.

 

[Gulliver Foyle]

No civil war. Maybe something like The Troubles in Ireland, with terrorist bombings and shootings.

What, a series of massacres of peaceful civil rights marchers, coupled with a bombing campaign by terrorist organisations aligned to the ruling party, leading (after a few years) to certain of those among the oppressed to set up an insurgent guerilla campaign followed by even more brutal state repression?

Maybe if T****y wins.

 

[arthwollipot]

Yeah, nothing like The Troubles. It'll be a few random weirdos shooting up some shopping malls or blowing themselves up with homemade pipe bombs that explode prematurely. Probably one or two failed assassination attempts that we never get to hear of because the FBI or Secret Service grabs them before they get anywhere near their target.

These people aren't competent.

 

[jt512]

I see no evidence that the Gravy SEALS and Ya'all Qaida with their knock-off AR-15s and cool guy rigs could coalesce into real combat power. It takes more than shopping out of the 5'11 catalog to make an army.

That said...

That said, the 5.11 store here is really cool. It's like a lethal version of REI.

 

[psionl0]

I predict civil war in the USofA: make your predictions here!

Are you predicting that a number of states will secede from the US, form their own federation and have to go to war with the remaining US to prevent them from being forcibly incorporated into the US again?

 

[angrysoba]

Are you predicting that a number of states will secede from the US, form their own federation and have to go to war with the remaining US to prevent them from being forcibly incorporated into the US again?

I cannot be sure, but it will be war.

 

[Steve]

I don't see that. The US is made up of semi-soverign states. A state can just vote to leave. No need for Irish troubles.

States as an entity are quite unlikely to want to leave. The most likely scenario is that a small group of violent ******** - way too few to form any kind of coherent army - within the state will resort to shootings and bombings in a rather misguided effort to convince the state to separate. Just as in NI.

 

[shemp]

I cannot be sure, but it will be war.

If it is war, it won't last long. And the federal government won't need to fire an offensive shot. Why? Because of economics.

Imagine a day when President Harris issues executive orders regarding seceding states:

• Telecommunications companies ordered to cut off all service.
  
• Banks ordered to cut off all banking services and freeze access to all bank accounts.
  
• Investment firms ordered to cut off access to stock and bond trading and freeze access to all investment accounts.
  
• Closing the new borders to all crossings, including shipments of food, oil, gasoline, medicine, etc. Exception: Refugees.
  
• Ordering all national and regional businesses to close all offices and franchises in the seceding states and to stop paying employees.

And also:

No other country (except maybe Russia) will recognize the seceding states.

The seceding states will find it nearly impossible to organize into a nation. Small, closed economies don't fare well.

When the people of the seceding states get hungry and sick enough, they'll change their minds and beg to come back. Their hoarded gold, food and fuel won't last that long.

And if they do try to organize an army and fight, they'll get squashed flat. Very few fools in the U.S. Armed Forces will join them, knowing that they may be subject to conviction as a traitor and end up on the wrong end of a rope.

So you do these things, and you tell the leaders of the secession that they have 30 days to come back, or they are subject to being on the wrong end of the rope as well.

What you DON'T do is attempt to negotiate with them and solve this peacefully. You must deal harshly with them and make them suffer consequences.

There will NOT be a war. People like Rhonda Santis and Greg Abattoir and other politicians talk big, but they know where their bread and butter comes from.

There will be gangs of militias and weekend warriors who will carry out acts of terrorism. They can be dealt with.

So everybody cut the Civil War ****. I know, I used to say it too, but I thought about it, unlike some on this board who consider themselves to be skeptics.

 

[angrysoba]

If it is war, it won't last

The MAGA Chuds’ll sing their last swan song.

 

[Donal]

And that justifies/excuses all the destruction in 2020 because?

Or is your "logic' that two wrongs make a right?

What are you talking about?

Maybe we're headed to civil war after all with these kind of dazzling mentalities flourishing....one "side" blames the other for all the problems of the world while theirs is glorious and holy and never does any wrong.

You spend too much time listening to Trump.

 

[TragicMonkey]

No state will attempt to secede: they'd either be on the hook for SS and Medicare for their citizens, or those things would stop entirely. You think the MAGA Boomers are going to go back to work? They talk big about the evils of socialism but they are utterly dependent upon it.

 

[Donal]

That said, the 5.11 store here is really cool. It's like a lethal version of REI.

Its Hot Topic for people who were either too scared to enlist, too dumb to pass the ASVAB, and/or incapable of passing the physical.

 

[Donal]

If violence were to occur, I doubt it would be o nany large scale with organized "sides" and state governments declaring independance.

We may...MAY...see isolated attacks that utilize common resources. Retail terrorism if you will. But these will be small, isolated incidents. The bigger issue will be said network.

Or we'll see factional fighting among right-wing groups. Think of Proud Boys vs Partiot Front turning violent. Various groups accusing each other of being Feds or not patruotic enough. Add to the frustration of their glorious revolution not happening. Fairly common throughout history

 

[shemp]

No state will attempt to secede: they'd either be on the hook for SS and Medicare for their citizens, or those things would stop entirely. You think the MAGA Boomers are going to go back to work? They talk big about the evils of socialism but they are utterly dependent upon it.

That's a very good point that I'd missed, thanks.

 

[Lukraak_Sisser]

Unless the US army splits there won't be a civil war at all.
Civil unrest maybe, but the small arms the 2A nuts have hoarded to 'fight the government when it goes evil' won't actually help against a tank/bomber/drone/missile

Look at the Middle East. Hamas/Hezbollah are organized guerilla armies with a lot of foreign support who have been fighting for several generations and filled with fighters willing to take personal losses virtually no US citizen is willing to endure.
And yet they are virtually powerless agains the Israeli army

Now imagine a few Dirty Harry wannabe's whose only real combat is Counter Strike with no real organization are going to fare against an actual force if they decide to start a revolution.

 

[crescent]

Unless the US army splits there won't be a civil war at all.
Civil unrest maybe, but the small arms the 2A nuts have hoarded to 'fight the government when it goes evil' won't actually help against a tank/bomber/drone/missile

Look at the Middle East. Hamas/Hezbollah are organized guerilla armies with a lot of foreign support who have been fighting for several generations and filled with fighters willing to take personal losses virtually no US citizen is willing to endure.
And yet they are virtually powerless agains the Israeli army

Now imagine a few Dirty Harry wannabe's whose only real combat is Counter Strike with no real organization are going to fare against an actual force if they decide to start a revolution.

But then again, look at Syria.

When the protests got too big, some of the police refused to engage with the protestors. So the military was called.

...and when push came to shove, some of the soldiers refused to fire; dropped their guns and joined the protesters.

...and when the military kept pushing, more soldiers joined the protesters, but these ones kept their guns. And then used them.

...and that's when the protest movement kicked over into a civil war.

It wasn't high level generals switching sides and bringing their troops with them. It wasn't regional governers rebelling. It was individual soldiers rejecting the idea of firing upon their fellow citizens. Some generals and high level officers also switched sides, but they didn't bring troops with them; there was no organized mutiny. Those generals just sort of dropped out of sight for a while and then weeks or months later reappeared in non-government controlled areas attempting to assume command.

If push comes to shove and we need the actual military to fight, don't expect all of them to follow those orders. One could argue that once we reach the point of needing our military to fight our own people, we have already lost. It might not be any sort of organized split, Syria never saw that. Just a whole bunch of individuals refusing orders and deserting, each on their own decision. Only later did they reorganize into more coherent groups.

I remember the standoff at Bunkerville in Nevada. Two large armed groups facing off, the feds had the low ground with Bundy-supporting snipers above them. One inconvenient sneeze that could have turned very bloody. That's the kind of thing that (if it had gone bloody) could have led to armed escalation with protests and fights elsewhere. And that kind of thing could totally happen again if we're not careful.