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Ed The JD Vance thread

Rachel Maddow had quite the expose re Vance.

He openly stated he was in favor of closing all universities, confiscating their endowments, and selling off the land to developers.

 
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I wasn't sure what the two images above were all about. Kent McCord? Turns out that Congressman Mike Collins of Georgia posted an AI-generated image of JD Vance to his X account. Nobody is sure exactly why he did that. The New Republic reported:
Republican Representative Mike Collins tried to support JD Vance by posting a picture of the vice presidential nominee on X Wednesday morning. It backfired. Collins inexplicably posted a very clearly edited image of Vance’s face, slimmed down with enhanced features like a chin implant. The post immediately drew mockery, with social media commentators coming up with their own photoshopped pictures. New Republic article link

Here's the one I liked.

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Barbara Kingsolver on Vance - https://www.theguardian.com/books/2...er-demon-copperhead-jd-vance-holding-the-line
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“I can tell you that Appalachian people felt betrayed by that book a long time before he became a Republican politician. I’ll begin by saying: anyone is entitled to write a memoir. That’s his story, fine. But for him to say that his story explains all of us – I say, no, I resent that, because it’s very condescending. There’s this subtext all the way through it that suggests we’re in a boat that’s sinking because we’re lazy, unambitious and uncreative, which I resent.”

The positive responses to the book, she believes, were born of the fact that it simply confirmed well-worn stereotypes. “I’ve dealt with this condescension, this anti-hillbilly bigotry for a lot of my life. I didn’t realise it was a problem until I left Kentucky and went to college [she went to university in Indiana] and people made fun of my accent, and said things like: ‘Look at you, you’re wearing shoes, ha ha!’” She pauses. “You know, it’s more insidious than that. Even as a writer, I feel like my whole life until Demon Copperhead [her Pulitzer prize-winning 2022 novel, which is set in modern Appalachia] I was snubbed because I’m rural, I’m from this place that’s considered backward. I’m quite used to it. But it [Vance’s book] really made a lot of us angry that this became the explanation for us.”

Her neighbours, she says, saw through him immediately: “The hollowness, the fact that he isn’t really one of us.” And perhaps this only increased her determination to write a book like Demon Copperhead, which tackles head on the agonising effects of the opioid crisis in Appalachia: “We have to talk about history. This was done to us. This region has been treated as a kind of internal colony exploited by the outside. It was just so personal for him [Vance]. There was no analysis, and no compassion. It was just: if I can survive, anyone can survive.”
 
Appalachia being treated like it's an anthropological study as if it's some lost tribe instead of part of the country is part of the deep, angry resentment that part of the country has.

And yes part of it is because it is so white. There was an article once that said "If the population wasn't 99% white we'd call it a reservation."

There's a county, I want to say in Tennessee, that makes the news every year when it gets reported that it's the poorest county in the country and a bunch of reporters descend on it to write the same copy-paste think pieces about it and one reporter ask one of the locals what they thought about it and he snapped "How would you feel if the entire country only remember you exist when they are reminded you're the lowest?"
 
Appalachia being treated like it's an anthropological study as if it's some lost tribe instead of part of the country is part of the deep, angry resentment that part of the country has.

And yes part of it is because it is so white. There was an article once that said "If the population wasn't 99% white we'd call it a reservation."

There's a county, I want to say in Tennessee, that makes the news every year when it gets reported that it's the poorest county in the country and a bunch of reporters descend on it to write the same copy-paste think pieces about it and one reporter ask one of the locals what they thought about it and he snapped "How would you feel if the entire country only remember you exist when they are reminded you're the lowest?"
Which means Appalachia is going to flip blue, right? They're going to vote for Harris because this time around it's the GOP candidate that rose to fame exploiting their culture? Right?
 
I wasn't sure what the two images above were all about. Kent McCord? Turns out that Congressman Mike Collins of Georgia posted an AI-generated image of JD Vance to his X account. Nobody is sure exactly why he did that. The New Republic reported:

Truth is stranger than fiction because fiction has to make sense.
 
Vance may be currently and privately criticizing Trump still.

The Guardian


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From your link:

In February 2020, he wrote: “Trump has just so thoroughly failed to deliver on his economic populism (excepting a disjointed China policy).”

“I think Trump will probably lose,” Vance wrote in June 2020 in a forecast of the outcome for that year’s election, which he subsequently falsely claimed was stolen by the Democrats, echoing the former president.

Vance has previously admitted to being a former critic of Trump, who he labelled around the time of his 2016 election triumph as “cultural heroin” and “America’s Hitler”. But Vance claims he was won over by Trump’s performance as president.

WOT? JD is LYING? I'm shocked! Shocked I tell ya! SHOCKED!

 
We need to look forward, and not to the past....



IE, don't worry about what I've said before, what I'm saying now is the "truth."

Shamelessly stolen from the internet:

"JD Vance says it's fine to make up stories, and we wish him well on his long road to recovery from syphilis"
 
For some context, Vance has argued the following: That the country is being run by “childless cat ladies.” That the votes of couples with children should count more than those of couples without. That childless couples should pay more in taxes. That a solution to the rising costs of child care is grandparents. That we should make it easier for state law enforcement agencies to surveil pregnant women to determine if they are planning to leave the state for an abortion.

His positions are selling like Edsels, prompting an attempt at political recalibration. Candidates backtracking when their chops get busted is de rigueur for political campaigns, the calculus falling somewhere between “I was misquoted” and “You don’t understand.” Vance has recently thrown himself on the court of comedic opinion, pleading sarcasm, quipping and an insistence that he really doesn’t hate “childless cat ladies.”

Too late. Besides, dissing single, childless women, childless couples, stepmothers or anyone outside the narrow view of Vance’s sphere of reproductive acceptability is a swipe at all women.

Until we start singling out unmarried men (with or without pets) without offspring the way we do their female counterparts, J.D. Vance, et al., have little standing and dubious credibility … among women … and men.

So, no, I need not defend my wife nor any women whether they be single, married, childless, mothers, stepmothers, adoptive mothers, grandmothers or any combination thereof. They are capable of fiercely defending themselves and, I’m sensing, tired of having others make decisions for them from mansplainers to lawmakers.

I’m also thinking that whatever patooty kicking and name taking they need to do now will just be a start.

The real takedown happens in November.
https://nebraskaexaminer.com/2024/09/30/too-late-to-resell-the-unsellable/
 
Which means Appalachia is going to flip blue, right? They're going to vote for Harris because this time around it's the GOP candidate that rose to fame exploiting their culture? Right?

No, because the Democratic Party (and you here) are basically doing what J.D. Vance is doing. It is this weird bipartisan need to think that Appalachia's woes are self inflicted and not the result of a century plus occupation by extractive capitalists with contempt for those who live here.

Ain't nobody within the current political firmament willing to meet that head on. So the general attitude if for y'all to go eff yourselves. Trump being the end of American Democracy isn't really worrying to people who have been its victims.

I don't think that way at all, but I get it.
 
Can we agree the dude in nuttier than a fruitcake?

I don't think Vance is nutty like Trump. I don't think he has a personality disorder, is a pathological liar or is a malignant narcissist like Trump. But he is a sleazy opportunist who had a taste of fame with his book and now wants more fame and the power that goes along with it. He knowingly lies in order to pursue that power, not out of mental illness.
 
For some context, Vance has argued the following: That the country is being run by “childless cat ladies.” That the votes of couples with children should count more than those of couples without. That childless couples should pay more in taxes. That a solution to the rising costs of child care is grandparents…
Already been doing that for decades. We don’t have kids, yet pay thousands in school taxes every year.
 

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