"Misgendering" is now a federal offense

[arthwollipot]

Let me try one more time: My statement could not possibly have been disrespectful to the people you were speaking of as "your friend," namely, trans people, because trans people were not whom I was speaking of.

Oh, well that's perfectly okay then.

 

[d4m10n]

Holyoke probably thinks it does.

We needn't wonder what their policy is on such matters as these:
https://www.mtholyoke.edu/policies/pronoun-policy?s=09

What I find curious about this is that the federal regulations probably couldn't've made their policy any stronger.

 

[Roboramma]

You don't get to decide when you're being disrespectful, bro.

Like anything else a claim of being disrespectful has to be supported by evidence. You saying that he's disrespectful to trans people doesn't make it so, and when he asked for evidence for this claim you failed to provide any.

 

[smartcooky]

Okay, so you are simply dedicated to the cause of making life harder for trans people. I thought you were better than that.

Sorry, how does refusing to deny objective, scientific reality make life harder for transpeople?

For a duck, you sure are getting pretty agitated about this. I try and suggest people are nicer to trans people and you get all up about bullying and intimidation and objective scientific reality.

Doesn't sound like you're not the snowflake here, to be honest.

I'm not agitated at all. I'm stating my position - which is that transwomen are biologically male. This is an irrefutable fact - and facts don't care about feelings. I refuse to deny facts.

So far, I have not had anyone explain to me why my desire to not deny objective, scientific reality should be less important to me that someone else's butthurt is to them.

 

[Samson]

You have apparently now committed a federal offense. Time to call the Gender Police on you so you can be arrested and your rights restricted.

Biologists unpacked for laypeople like me, they all reached the conclusion he is a man, and in my book he deserves prison for assault, not the gender he has been disabused of having a claim to.
But I note you were being lighthearted, and the Italian lass was just the ultimate snowflake in this parlor game.

 

[thaiboxerken]

Yup.

Anyone who contradicts any part of the trans-radical activist agenda is automatically a transphobe, bigot and Nazi!

Trans-radical activist?


LOL LOL LOL WOW

 

[smartcooky]

Trans-radical activist?

Yes. You may not realize it, but their playbook is exactly where this **** comes from

- Canceling and deplatforming people (such as those who refuse to deny objective truth) who won't go along with their agenda
https://www.rebelnews.com/biologist...er_event_for_asking_gender_critical_questions

- Censoring and threatening harm to gender critical people who speak out against them.
https://www.filia.org.uk/latest-news/2020/7/5/10-women-in-academia-censored-or-threatened

- Disrupting women's rallies and physically actually attacking speakers and rally attendees
https://www.infonews.co.nz/news.cfm?id=126054


THOSE are the people YOU are supporting. They are nothing but a bunch of violent thugs!

 

[thaiboxerken]

Wow, those links look and read like right-wing propoganda in the USA. It's like Drudge Report, Down Under.

 

[smartcooky]

Wow, those links look and read like right-wing propoganda in the USA. It's like Drudge Report, Down Under.

They probably only "look and read like right-wing propaganda" to you because you see them though the lens of your left-wing liberal ideology. To a centre-leftist like me, they just read as verifiable facts...

- Biologist Colin Wright WAS de-platformed for his "sex is binary" viewpoint.

- Those 11 women academics WERE Censored or Threatened for their gender-critical viewpoints.

- Speakers WERE violently attacked at a women's rally. A 71 year old woman was punched in the head and kicked by a 20 year old man - how very brave of him!

Oh and as for FiLiA...

Who is FiLiA?

'FiLiA' means daughter; we are the daughters of the women who came before us and we fight so that our sisters and daughters may be free.

FiLiA is a Women-led Volunteer organisation and part of the Women’s Liberation Movement. We have charitable status for our work promoting Women’s human rights.

FiLiA’s vision is a world free from Patriarchy where all Women and Girls are Liberated.​

How very right-wing of them


But, you know... you do you....

 

[angrysoba]

Yes. You may not realize it, but their playbook is exactly where this **** comes from

- Canceling and deplatforming people (such as those who refuse to deny objective truth) who won't go along with their agenda
https://www.rebelnews.com/biologist...TE] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebel_News

 

[ponderingturtle]

Trans-radical activist?


LOL LOL LOL WOW

Just like people who take issue with any part of the homosexual agenda like disagreements on gay marriage are some how bigots.

 

[Ziggurat]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebel_News

I'm sure Rebel News is right wing. So what? Is anything in their reporting about this story wrong? That seems to be the more pertinent question, and one that neither you nor TBK touched on.

Plus, of course, you both ignored filia, which definitely isn't right wing.

 

[plague311]

Yup.

Anyone who contradicts any part of the trans-radical activist agenda is automatically a transphobe, bigot and Nazi!

According to plague311 you are a bigot if you are concerned about things like that. Apparently women just have to suck it up and stop acting like snowflakes.

Since I never said this **** I'd expect you to retract it, but you guys won't. It's easier for you to lie, create strawmen, and cry about what I said than address it.

Keep your bull **** excuses, I don't want to hear them. Just keep making **** up, seems to be what you guys are good at.

Careful Sherkeu, you'll find yourself labelled as a bigot and a Nazi for speaking against the Holy Creed of gender ideology.

Lol you obviously have no experience with the lies Sherkeu makes up, like Haitian immigrants eating animals, lying about the stuff Trump says, saying people have TDS because we call them out. Good bed fellows, you guys belong in the same group, for sure.

 

[Thermal]

...So far, I have not had anyone explain to me why my desire to not deny objective, scientific reality should be less important to me that someone else's butthurt is to them.

Because s/he is not purely confined to biological sex anymore. As you've acknowledged, you will call a trans woman "she" if she can afford full transition surgeries. Well, she's still a bio male, right? If you gave her a DNA test (sound, irrefutable scientific evidence), she would be proven an XY biological male. The level of commitment to what amounts to a costume really shouldn't be the determinant of reality.

I'm not disagreeing with you, btw. But I think we should at least be able to understand and acknowledge both sides enough to come to a reasonable consensus.

So. Most of us here want trans people to live their lives in peace, with no harassment, yes? But the OP problem is misgendering, which they don't really define. If we assume gendering is self ID for their purposes, they got some 'splaining to do regarding their admissions policy and whether a non binary bio male can jump in their showers with the gals. And whatever their policy is...well, it's whatever it is, but I think a bunch of skeptics can point out that it seems unenforceable or at least nonsensical.

 

[smartcooky]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebel_News

And?

You studiously avoided addressing the other two sources...oh, but of course you did!

 

[d4m10n]

Just like people who take issue with any part of the homosexual agenda like disagreements on gay marriage are some how bigots.

Oh yes, we can all recall when the homosexuals demanded legal protection for special pronouns and compelled speech. Your analogies are totally on point and utterly apt.

 

[smartcooky]

Because s/he is not purely confined to biological sex anymore.

That is just propaganda being spouted by gender-activists and gender-ideology captured academia. I do not accept that with regard to people who Self-ID by fiat as a sex different from that which they were born.

.. as I posted earlier...

How I personally identify people is MY business and MY decision, not that of others. Unless someone can come up with convincing, fact-based reasons, grounded in science and observable reality, why I should abandon my science-based beliefs in favour of lying about facts in order to pander to someone so their feelings aren't hurt, I will not be changing my position on this.

Furthermore, I do not just apply this principle to trans people. I also apply them to conspiracy theorists, religionists & scam artists et al.

 

[smartcooky]

Oh yes, we can all recall when the homosexuals demanded legal protection for special pronouns and compelled speech. Your analogies are totally on point and utterly apt.

HINT: For the uninitiated, what d4m10n said was satire.

Homosexuals have never demanded special protection to compel the use of preferred pronouns. All they ever wanted was the human right to exist, to love who they love, to marry who they wish and to be accepted in society. Trans people already have all of this, but they are demanding more, much more. They are demanding the denial of scientific fact.

 

[Thermal]

That is just propaganda being spouted by gender-activists and gender-ideology captured academia.

No, it's been accepted that gender and pronouns are distinctly different than pure sex ID for literally generations by pretty much the spectrum of scientists that study human behavior. It would seem to be pretty much you and the zoologists that cling to the sex-only definition.

When speaking in say French or Spanish, do you make up your own gendered articles? "I don't like le monde. The world seems feminine to me, like mother earth. Imma call it la monde."

 

[Foster Zygote]

Imane Kheliffe is a man with incomplete genitals.

How do you know this?

But you have to get beyond NYT and WAPO and onto places like X and Substack to understand.

Ah, that answers my question. You don't know. You just parrot what idiots on sanctuaries for bigotry and conspiracy theory like X and Substack pull out of their collective ass.

What is more he knows himself, as he is on drugs to lower testosterone among other things.

Let me guess, you had this "confirmed" by "some guy on X" who got it from "some other guy on Substack" who knows a guy who reached that determination because "reasons".

The testosterone can only come via male puberty.
It is misgendering to call him she.

Sorry Dr. Samson, women's bodies make testosterone too, and high testosterone in women is a genuine medical issue. So even if you could provide some actual evidence that she'd had her testosterone lowered, the claim that she could only get testosterone from going through male puberty is utter ********. As usual, your arguments are based in your own ignorance (and that of people on X and Substack, I now know).