Kamela Harris' first rally

arthwollipot said:
After nearly three years as VP. Now that she's actually running for President you might see a change.
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As I just wrote, you might or you might not, and if you do, it might be positive or negative. But all of that is irrelevant in the context of the discussion, which is whether or she is unpopular NOW.
 
It's an interesting situation:

new facts come in fast, the public hasn't really digested the Trump shooting yet, and it seems like now they never will.

I would not consider any polling reliable until we have two weeks of no major events, which both sides have an interest to make never happen.
 
I guess the question (about Dump's approval rating) is understandable given how many whataboutisms there are these days.

More contrast.
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Raised fist, screaming "FIGHT!" like a lunatic, saying that "I'm afraid that if we lose it'll take a civil war to save this country."

To be fair, he walked back the civil war part after the rally, but this is what the Democrats are up against. Bullies with a love for fighting and violence.

*EDIT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25vv1TkpGA4 I got an error message trying to play the embedded vid
 
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jt512 said:
As I just wrote, there were at least four other Democrats that polled better against Trump than Harris did. We can infer from that that they would have higher approval ratings. Again, not really relevant in the context of the claim that was made: that she is not unpopular.
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I'm not so sure about that. Nobody knew any more about Harris than they did about the other unknowns at the time of polling.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
It's an interesting situation:

new facts come in fast, the public hasn't really digested the Trump shooting yet, and it seems like now they never will.

I would not consider any polling reliable until we have two weeks of no major events, which both sides have an interest to make never happen.
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Polls for the last few election cycles have been skewing in a distinctly conservative direction. While most of the American population have been uninterested in continuing to talk about Trump (in addition to depression over issues like the loss of reproductive freedoms, successful interference of Trump-appointees in holding Trump accountable for his crimes, etc) and thus respond to polling, the MAGA community has been gleeful about it. This has been demonstrated multiple times, such as in the supposed "Red Wave" that was anticipated by conservatives back in 2022.

The question moving forward is: How much?
 
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Let's consider:
barring an October Surprise, Trump is now at the absolute PEAK of popularity, having been boosted from the Convention and, just to remind everyone, surviving an assassination attempt. He also got a VP who is injecting energy into the campaign.
This was supposed to be the moment when Republicans reached and kept their momentum, with Biden too weak to do much about it.

Now, the tables are turned, and Trump is definitely on the defensive. Every momentum is gone.

At this moment, it looks like Harris can only go Up, and Trump can only go Down.
 
They have just barely started talking about Project 2025, too.
Also, now they can start to really hammer the GOP about their 80+ year old candidate.
I know we thought we were going to win in 2016 too, but I'm more hopeful than ever this will be a Democrat win.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Let's consider:
barring an October Surprise, Trump is now at the absolute PEAK of popularity, having been boosted from the Convention and, just to remind everyone, surviving an assassination attempt. He also got a VP who is injecting energy into the campaign.
This was supposed to be the moment when Republicans reached and kept their momentum, with Biden too weak to do much about it.

Now, the tables are turned, and Trump is definitely on the defensive. Every momentum is gone.

At this moment, it looks like Harris can only go Up, and Trump can only go Down.
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i agree it doesn’t bode well that he had the best week of his life and it barely moved the needle against a decrepit biden. additionally most of his advantages over biden are weaknesses against harris

they’re, and by they i mean the trump campaign and from what i can tell his supporters too, are not happy biden dropped out. i mean, it’s what they wanted right? so, why?
 
From Reuters:

Exclusive: Harris leads Trump 44% to 42% in US presidential race, Reuters/Ipsos poll finds

It's only one poll so I wouldn't get too excited about it. But I believe that most recent polls had favored Trump over Biden, so at least it seems likely that she should be no worse than Biden, at a minimum.

ETA: the previous version of the same poll had Biden two points behind Trump. So it's like a 4 point swing in Democrats' favor. Yes, these polls do have a margin of error, of course. But I see it as a positive sign, especially if there are more polls to show the same shift.
 
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jt512 said:
Actually, it means everything. It is the public's opinion of her after nearly three years in office. It might improve now that she is the presumptive nominee, it might stay the same or might get worse. Since the future trajectory of her popularity is unknown, her currently popularity is the number that matters, and the one the Democratic party ignored (as well as the polls showing her an underdog to trump and the polls showing four other possible Democratic candidates ahead of him).
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No, it means nothing.

The VP is the pinnacle of the invisible man. No one cares. Ex VPs have said the position isn't worth a bucket of warm spit. The VP's unofficial title is Mr. Superfluous. Any impressions the public has of the VP is soft. Billions of PR dollars goes to crafting the image of a Presidential candidate. Maybe two bits is spent on the VP..
 
Someone aptly said the only job of the VP is to pick up the phone in the morning and ask if the president is still alive. If they are, the VP can go back to sleep, and that's his work day over. Like a soccer player sitting at the bench as a reserve for a whole tournament.
 
Safe-Keeper said:
Someone aptly said the only job of the VP is to pick up the phone in the morning and ask if the president is still alive. If they are, the VP can go back to sleep, and that's his work day over. Like a soccer player sitting at the bench as a reserve for a whole tournament.
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I could have sworn Biden gave his VP additional jobs to do.
 
simper said:
Very good speech. Can someone from the US explain why she is so unpopular? As an outsider I just don't get it.
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To take it seriously and assume there are reason other than race, gender, and sex:
She hasn't shown much charism to this point. She often comes across as a pendant talking to children. As a prosecutor in CA and in some cases as the AG she was tough on crime in ways that were, well not popular. She's been accused of working to keep wrongfully convicted folks in jail on technicalities and did used criminal penalties against parents of truants as a district attorney. As a Senator she had one of the most lefty voting records, granted, it was only three years.

She's from CA.

All of that means she's really not more unpopular than any other prominent politician in the US. Still means she's unpopular but then so is every other politician you can name.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/approval/kamala-harris/ about 40% approve and 50% disapprove as opposed to Trump who's basically 40/50 too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamal...ttorney_General_of_California#Law_enforcement
 
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If she comes across as someone talking to bright children, she is already far ahead of the competition.
 
The ability to talk to children will come in handy in the upcoming debate with Tramp. Provided he doesn't decide to skip it, of course.
 
Its not that she can talk to children, it's that she often comes across as though she thinks she's talking not particularly bright children.
 
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