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Trump needs to make sure he doesn't win with anything greater than the 39th highest margin in U.S. election history, or people might start asking his voters if they really believe he won.

Who am I kidding? Jesus is going to personally cast his 144,000 electoral votes for Trump, giving him the highest winning margin outside of North Korea.
 
Different people have different opinions on what constitutes idiotic speech/writing.


So, only ≈10x more articulate than Donald Trump.


I'll bet she even passes off her subjective opinions as though they were objective facts when she's engaging in an argument.


Last time I checked, Jamaica was still part of the Americas, and her father was a Jamaican of African ancestry. And the "descended from slave owners" should probably take into account that a helluva lot of African Americans are descended from slave owners, because slave owners had the unpleasant habit of raping their slaves.

And Donald Trump is a son of foreign immigrants. His grandfather was an immigrant from Germany who ran a lucrative brothel in Canada during the gold rush before finally settling in the U.S. I'd even be willing to bet that you are a descendant of foreign immigrants.

But hey, I'm sure your disparagement of someone with brown skin as a "foreign immigrant" while ignoring the same qualities in a foreign immigrant with white skin has no bearing on your complaints about being called a racist.


I'd be perfectly happy to make it about her merits vs. those of Donald Trump.

I don't care about immigration status. My own parents are immigrants. What I dont care about is 'first black female...blah blah' when it is not even wholly true as to millions of ADOS that live here.
Just give me someone who can do the job. All the rest is identity nonsense that does not help to actually run the country. But great that you slanted it into racism. That happens a lot.
 
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I don't care about immigration status. My own parents are immigrants. What I dont care about is 'first black female...blah blah' when it is not even wholly true as to millions of ADOS that live here.
Just give me someone who can do the job. All the rest is identity nonsense that does not help to actually run the country. But great that you slanted it into racism. That happens a lot.

Yea, when people say racist crap, they tend to get called racist. Weird.
 
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dyqik post_id=162584 time=1721588138 user_id=48 said:
Biden not announcing until Trump is locked in as the Republican nominee is a good move, btw. Trump's negatives are a rich target, plus now he's the old and doddering candidate who rambles on

He was just Biden his time
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I don't care about immigration status.
Then why did you bring up her immigrant history?
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Btw... She is not an African American by descent, so why do people care about her color so much? She is a daughter of foreign immigrants, the black one one descended from Jamaican slave owners. None born in USA
And she's an American citizen of African ancestry. That makes her an African American. She is also an American citizen of Indian ancestry, making her an Indian American.

My own parents are immigrants. What I dont care about is 'first black female...blah blah' when it is not even wholly true as to millions of ADOS that live here.
Actually I'd be willing to bet that it's a very big deal for many African American women to see a woman of African ancestry so close to the nomination for a presidential campaign, especially to those who lived through Southern legal segregation. It's also probably a big deal to people of Indian descent, and Asian descent in general, especially women of those groups. It's even a big deal to me to think that my young daughter might get to see a woman finally occupy the Executive Office. Hell, this should be a big deal to pretty much anyone in the United States who isn't a white man.

Again, for someone who claims not to care about someone's immigrant ancestors, you're trying curiously hard to make a big deal out of it.

Just give me someone who can do the job.
Like Donald Trump?

All the rest is identity nonsense that does not help to actually run the country. But great that you slanted it into racism. That happens a lot.
I'm sure it does. And I'm equally sure that you're baffled by that. Maybe if you'd actually concentrated on (what I'll charitably call) arguments about merit instead of making it about her being a child of immigrants, claiming she isn't really African American (she is), and trying to tarnish her as a descendant of slave owners when a large number of African Americans are just that due to the practice of raping slaves, you would have a leg to stand on. But you brought those things up.
 
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Then why did you bring up her immigrant history?

And she's an American citizen of African ancestry. That makes her an African American. She is also an American citizen of Indian ancestry, making her an Indian American.


Actually I'd be willing to bet that it's a very big deal for many African American women to see a woman of African ancestry so close to the nomination for a presidential campaign, especially to those who lived through Southern legal segregation. It's also probably a big deal to people of Indian descent, and Asian descent in general, especially women of those groups. It's even a big deal to me to think that my young daughter might get to see a woman finally occupy the Executive Office. Hell, this should be a big deal to pretty much anyone in the United States who isn't a white man.

Again, for someone who claims not to care about someone's immigrant ancestors, you're trying curiously hard to make a big deal out of it.


Like Donald Trump?


I'm sure it does. And I'm equally sure that you're baffled by that. Maybe if you'd actually concentrated on (what I'll charitably call) arguments about merit instead of making it about her being a child of immigrants, claiming she isn't really African American (she is), and trying to tarnish her as a descendant of slave owners when a large number of African Americans are just that due to the practice of raping slaves, you would have a leg to stand on. But you brought those things up.

You completely miss the point that I criticize making her into an 'identity' which I don't think is a real merit. It is a fake talent with fake facts.. Go complain to the identity politics/skin color people.
 
Then why did you bring up her immigrant history?
Because a lot of people do care about it, or think they care about it.

And she's an American citizen of African ancestry. That makes her an African American. She is also an American citizen of Indian ancestry, making her an Indian American.

No. "African American" in this context refers to black Americans who inherited the generational effects of slavery, segregation, and racial discrimination. People whose grandparents grew up during Jim Crow. Whose parents were locked out of the growing middle class by redlining and other discriminatory practices. Who are now facing a cycle of poverty due to this cumulative effect over generations. This is a uniquely American experience for black people, and one that Harris absolutely does not share. In terms of grinding poverty and class discrimination, Bill Clinton has a more authentic "African American" background than Kamala Harris does. Hell, more authentic than Barack Obama, even.
 
Because a lot of people do care about it, or think they care about it.



No. "African American" in this context refers to black Americans who inherited the generational effects of slavery, segregation, and racial discrimination. People whose grandparents grew up during Jim Crow. Whose parents were locked out of the growing middle class by redlining and other discriminatory practices. Who are now facing a cycle of poverty due to this cumulative effect over generations. This is a uniquely American experience for black people, and one that Harris absolutely does not share. In terms of grinding poverty and class discrimination, Bill Clinton has a more authentic "African American" background than Kamala Harris does. Hell, more authentic than Barack Obama, even.

I am certain that the usual suspects in the GOP will draw a clear distinction between the blackness of Harris, and the blackness of someone whose family has been in the US for generations, and refrain from any kind of racist comments torwards Harris.
 
Because a lot of people do care about it, or think they care about it.



No. "African American" in this context refers to black Americans who inherited the generational effects of slavery, segregation, and racial discrimination. People whose grandparents grew up during Jim Crow. Whose parents were locked out of the growing middle class by redlining and other discriminatory practices. Who are now facing a cycle of poverty due to this cumulative effect over generations. This is a uniquely American experience for black people, and one that Harris absolutely does not share. In terms of grinding poverty and class discrimination, Bill Clinton has a more authentic "African American" background than Kamala Harris does. Hell, more authentic than Barack Obama, even.

One of the people who doesn't think systemic racism doesn't exist trying to tell us who counts as black.
 
Kamala Harris is descended from Jamaican black slaves. She shares the African-American experience and legacy of discrimination and slavery.

Her father's name, oddly enough, is Donald J Harris.

:)
 
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One of the people who doesn't think systemic racism doesn't exist trying to tell us who counts as black.

It is strange that black women, in general, think Kamala is black. Yet, some white people keep telling me that Kamala isn't really black....
Didn't those same people say the same things about Obama? That Obama wasn't black or wasn't "black enough"?

It's like the only people that count at black to them are copies of Flav-R-Flav.
 
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