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Andy_Ross said:
Apparently, according to Elon

It’s patently absurd that Apple isn’t smart enough to make their own AI, yet is somehow capable of ensuring that OpenAI will protect your security & privacy!
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That's true isn't it? It is absurd to believe that and Apple probably has four d a way to protect our security and privacy (I'm assuming they are not lying).

One of the reasons why Apple is seen to be lagging in AI is because they try to do as much processing on device as possible for privacy reasons, unlike their rivals at Google and Amazon.

Anyway, I've just realised we are heading off topic, so I will say no more about it here.
 
Musk is extremely salty that he is not considered an industry leader in AI. I'm not even sure he's considered a major industry player, despite having a dedicated AI company. So far the only thing xAI has produced is a mediocre ChatGPT clone that is exclusively for paid Twitter users.
 
Andy_Ross said:
Apparently, according to Elon

It’s patently absurd that Apple isn’t smart enough to make their own AI, yet is somehow capable of ensuring that OpenAI will protect your security & privacy!

Apple has no clue what’s actually going on once they hand your data over to OpenAI. They’re selling you down the river.
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Mush has dropped his OpenAI suit, ahead of it being dismissed by the court.
 
jeremyp said:
That's true isn't it? It is absurd to believe that and Apple probably has four d a way to protect our security and privacy (I'm assuming they are not lying).

One of the reasons why Apple is seen to be lagging in AI is because they try to do as much processing on device as possible for privacy reasons, unlike their rivals at Google and Amazon.
Anyway, I've just realised we are heading off topic, so I will say no more about it here.
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No. And if you think that Apple respects your "privacy" more than Google, Amazon, Microsoft et Al then you are hopelessly naive.
 
Checkmite said:
Musk is extremely salty that he is not considered an industry leader in AI. I'm not even sure he's considered a major industry player, despite having a dedicated AI company. So far the only thing xAI has produced is a mediocre ChatGPT clone that is exclusively for paid Twitter users.
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BMW is a bigger player in AI.
Mush and TwiX cannot attract the talent needed.
 
Angus McIntyre on mastodon
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It's what Bernard Woolley from “Yes, Minister” would have called 'one of those English irregular verbs’.
"The billionaire CEO has an ‘unusual' or ‘boundary-blurring' relationship with the female employees; YOU must complete a mandated sexual harassment refresher course; Bob from Accounting has been escorted out of the building.”
 
Elon has changed the way 'likes' work for posts.

Now any likes are anonymous, you can't see who liked a post.

It's to protect people from harassment apparently.
 
It seems that i means people can't look at your profile and see what yo have been liking.
You still see who has liked your actual posts.
 
Andy_Ross said:
It seems that i means people can't look at your profile and see what yo have been liking.
You still see who has liked your actual posts.
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Can you see who has liked other people’s posts? Cos that to me seems to be one way spammers, bots, and scammers target people.
 
Andy_Ross said:
Elon has changed the way 'likes' work for posts.

Now any likes are anonymous, you can't see who liked a post.

It's to protect people from harassment apparently.
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Didn't someone point out that the muskrat liked an SPH video?
 
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catsmate said:
So you blindly accept the " stated principle" for Apple, but not anyone else?
:rolleyes:
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And Apple isn't really following it all that well either. They protect from third party apps pretty well, but Apple themselves are hoarding data and not telling people where it's going.

It may therefore come as a surprise that privacy researchers have issued a new warning, after finding the iPhone is not as private as it seems. According to researchers at Finland’s Aalto University, keeping your iPhone, MacBook and iPad personal data hidden from Apple is “virtually impossible.”

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The researchers studied eight apps available on iPhones, iPads and Macs: Safari, Siri, Family Sharing, iMessage, FaceTime, Location Services, Find My and Touch ID. First, they collected all publicly available privacy-related information on these apps, including technical documentation and privacy policies and user manuals.

For example, the user is given the option to enable Siri, but “enabling” only refers to whether you use Siri's voice control. “Siri collects data in the background from other apps you use, regardless of your choice, unless you understand how to go into the settings and specifically change that,” said Lindqvist.

In fact, you can’t easily stop data sharing in any of the iPhone apps studied, according to the researchers. “In practice, protecting privacy on an Apple device requires persistent and expert clicking on each app individually. Apple's help falls short.” Source
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Apple is still probably better than Android at privacy protections but tech people like myself will give that trade off for all of the other things we can do with an Android.

My whole point is it's a useless argument. If anyone thinks any phone manufacturer, carrier, etc. is protecting your data you're just wrong. They aren't, no one is.
 
This isn't directly about Twitter/X, but it's rather related given that a number of relevant things that Musk's said were done on Twitter/X.

Ukrainian journalists made a spreadsheet of US opponents of Ukraine aid. It caused an explosion

Perhaps the most relevant bit to this thread is...

On June 13, Elon Musk, the owner of social media platform X, who was also mentioned in our research,responded to the call from a Republican congressman to strip us of any donor support by calling for our organization to be listed as a terrorist group.
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To be clear, this was just for collating and reporting on public information.

Just more evidence that all those complaints about Free Speech coming from Musk and the Republican politicians that he supports, as well as their posturing, are a bad faith mockery of the noble principles that they pretend to support.

As a side note to that, I thought that this cartoon related to free speech just about completely refutes some of Samson's lines of attempted arguments pretty succinctly.

There's Never Been a Worse Time For Freedom of Speech
 
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plague311 said:
And Apple isn't really following it all that well either. They protect from third party apps pretty well, but Apple themselves are hoarding data and not telling people where it's going.
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Indeed, that was my point, the hypocrisy and the almost self-delusional mindset amongst Apple fanbois.

plague311 said:
Apple is still probably better than Android at privacy protections but tech people like myself will give that trade off for all of the other things we can do with an Android.
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I have yet to see evidence of that.
 
catsmate said:
Indeed, that was my point, the hypocrisy and the almost self-delusional mindset amongst Apple fanbois.


I have yet to see evidence of that.
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I was calling out your attitude which is based on cynicism rather than actual evidence. It's the same as those people who bleat that politicians are "all the same".

Apple is a corporate behemoth and surely does some bad things, but its business model is fundamentally better for people like me than that of Google in that I am their customer, not their product.

Anyway, this is very far off topic, so I'll say no more on the subject.
 
I have to agree that employing nothing but knee-jerk cynicism against Apple absolutely plays into the hands of Google, and Meta who would really love us to believe they are no worse then anyone else, when they are and they are downright despicable.

You don't need to look at anyone's stated goals to who see who quite clearly and obviously has a business model constructed around user surveillance. Apple just doesn't have any outward signs of that and it would seem to be absolutely detrimental to their business to get caught doing it. Of course they collect data, it's inevitable, and of course they use it for business purposes. But their business is overpricing their products, not advertising. There is no evidence that they use any customer data to build individual profiles to surveil, predict and manipulate our tastes and behaviour outside to targeted uses like their music service. Remember Google and Meta have their fingers in thousands if not millions of websites specifically for the purpose of spying on people. If Apple were doing that it would be huge news.

At best you could say Apple outsource all that shady stuff via their multi-billion deal to have Google be the default search engine on iPhones. That is largely dodging responsibility while still getting the money. Without that, maybe they'd have a different attitude.
 
Shrinker said:
You don't need to look at anyone's stated goals to who see who quite clearly and obviously has a business model constructed around user surveillance. Apple just doesn't have any outward signs of that and it would seem to be absolutely detrimental to their business to get caught doing it.
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They absolutely do have outward signs of doing this. It's known that Apple engages in deceptive practices around privacy. There are several opt-outs that have absolutely no effect.

https://gizmodo.com/apple-iphone-privacy-analytics-class-action-suit-1849774313

Of course they collect data, it's inevitable, and of course they use it for business purposes. But their business is overpricing their products, not advertising.
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Their business has included advertising for at least several years now, and it's not inevitable that they collect non-anonymized data (which is what they're doing).

The idea that PR surrounding privacy is going to motivate a corporation to protect privacy ignores the fact that it's just a lot easier to lie about protecting privacy. And when they're caught lying about, it doesn't have the calamitous effect on their reputation that people imagine it will, because they're very good at PR, and because there just aren't any realistic alternatives, beyond the hermitage of a barely functional alt-OS phone.
 
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