Cont: Musk buys Twitter II

I find people like Michael Shellenberger worth listening to.
He is a supporter of Elon Musk and his purchase of X

Yes but you have previously stated you only listen to sources you already agree with, so your opinion on these things is less than useless.

ETA: Not going to deal with any of the questions or points raised to you? Quelle surprise.
 
I think this reduces to
1. The world we live in would be better if Churchill had not been born.
2. The world we live in would be better if Musk had not been born.

Churchill opposed Nazis and restricted their freedom of speech.

Musk courts Nazis and gives them a platform to freely preach hate.
 
What are you blathering on about now?

No-one is saying either of those things, although Musk certainly hasn't been a net positive.
I'd agree with both. Mush has added nothing positive, and Churchill was rather damaging to the Allied war effort.
 
I have no knowledge of Musk courting nazis.
I am not even sure what a nazi is these days.

A Nazi is the same as it has ever been. Nazism when it first arose was supported by many of the rich and powerful, so Musk is not historically exceptional in giving a platform to Nazis and giving support for their policies, it used to be the norm for the owners of mass media, looks like those times are returning.

If you genuinely don’t know what Nazi ideology is a good starting point can be found here in video form:

https://massolit.io/courses/germany-nazi-germany-1933-45


You can find out about Nazism and modern comparisons by way of videos on YouTube, a good starting point to get up to date would be this one:



And a historical comparison to understand how Nazism infiltrates itself into education:

 
I have no knowledge of Musk courting nazis.
I am not even sure what a nazi is these days.

Well that's a straight up lie, isn't it?

Unless you're admitting to not reading the responses of the many people who have shown you him doing exactly that of course.

So, liar or intellectually dishonest Samson. Your choice.
 
Well that's a straight up lie, isn't it?

Unless you're admitting to not reading the responses of the many people who have shown you him doing exactly that of course.

So, liar or intellectually dishonest Samson. Your choice.

Don't be so narrow minded.

It could easily be both.
 
:rolleyes:
Have you considered educating yourself?

I've provided them with the information in their preferred format, which is the format they use to back up their claims.

We shall see if they bother to educate themselves or decide to wilfully remain ignorant
 
It’s leaving it up to content providers to put their adult content under a “content warning”.

Like X is great at enforcing policies. :oldroll:
 
A Nazi is the same as it has ever been. Nazism when it first arose was supported by many of the rich and powerful, so Musk is not historically exceptional in giving a platform to Nazis and giving support for their policies, it used to be the norm for the owners of mass media, looks like those times are returning.

If you genuinely don’t know what Nazi ideology is a good starting point can be found here in video form:

https://massolit.io/courses/germany-nazi-germany-1933-45


You can find out about Nazism and modern comparisons by way of videos on YouTube, a good starting point to get up to date would be this one:



And a historical comparison to understand how Nazism infiltrates itself into education:


I appreciate you taking me at face value.
From memory Musk shot from the hip along the lines

Ain't that the truth,

which media matters pounced on to try to destroy his business while ignoring the context.
I was interested in explicit examples where he has courted nazis.
He is credited by some serious people with replatforming those who hold views that were mainstream a few years ago.
He is not a cultist like some around here.
 
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I appreciate you taking me at face value.
From memory Musk shot from the hip along the lines

Ain't that the truth,

which media matters pounced on to try to destroy his business while ignoring the context.

Your memory seems to have gotten things wrong again, then.

To put the overall situation into better context, this article serves well enough as a start.


How Elon Musk is using X to fuel right-wing hate in the US

Musk’s interactions on Twitter embolden white supremacists and other toxic users in the name of ‘free speech’


Even if one ignores the problematic effects of Musk's various alterations of Twitter's functions and functioning that happen to favor or pander to right wing hate (intentional or as a side effect is sorta immaterial to the immediate point), his aiding, abetting, and amplifying of right wing hate in general set the stage. Media Matters just poked at that a little bit by demonstrating that Twitter allowed for companies to become associated with Nazi content. Understandably, the companies were unhappy about that, but it would have had no real effect if Musk hadn't been so obviously aiding and abetting right wing hate. Musk, of course, blew up over that poke, attacked Free Speech in a rather grand manner, and you're still trying to pretend that Musk's lies and attempts to avoid taking responsibility for the consequences of his own stupid actions are to be accepted uncritically. That "Ain't that the truth" bit was just one of the many examples of Musk amplifying hateful right wing lies, which is why Media Matters' poke was as effective as it was, but had very little to do with Media Matters directly.

I was interested in explicit examples where he has courted nazis.
He is credited by some serious people with replatforming thise who hold views that were mainstream a few years ago.

Replatforming those like Neo-Nazi Nick Fuentes, for example?

He is not a cultist like some around here.

Given that you're the one who's been acting like a cultist the most, by far... that just makes you sound like you're engaging in projection.

Musk is hardly either some total angel or devil, of course, but you've been actively trying to defend and excuse him in ways that are not particularly intellectually honest, to put it nicely. This could easily be unintentional, as it is for many who seize upon some belief for emotional reasons, but that makes it no less cultish in nature.
 
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I appreciate you taking me at face value.
From memory Musk shot from the hip along the lines

Ain't that the truth,

which media matters pounced on to try to destroy his business while ignoring the context.
I was interested in explicit examples where he has courted nazis.
He is credited by some serious people with replatforming those who hold views that were mainstream a few years ago.
He is not a cultist like some around here.

Can we take it you now know what a Nazi is, what Nazi ideology is, and how it subverts poplar media?
 
So still ignoring where people have shown you the exact thing you're requesting again?

How incredibly rude.
 

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