Cont: Criminal Charges/convictions Against Trump / Trump Indicted / Hush Money Part IV

alfaniner

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alfaniner said:
I'm not sure about this statistic's implications. What is the "first panel"? Is it a smaller group of the 96? Or the entire bunch? How many have been excused? (My question is with CNN's chyron reporting, exactly as you stated.)

I think the danger is more in hidden Trump supporter lying, and getting on the jury, rather than someone who admits disliking him but claiming they can be fair.
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Sixty of 96 potential jurors were quick to say in the New York court that they could not be impartial.
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Yeah, wow. I thought it was maybe they were doing groups of 10 or something, but this is very clear. I highly doubt that all the remaining ones are truly impartial, but that's for the lawyers to sniff out.



 
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alfaniner said:
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Yeah, wow. I thought it was maybe they were doing groups of 10 or something, but this is very clear. I highly doubt that all the remaining ones are truly impartial, but that's for the lawyers to sniff out.
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This was just the first day of jury selection. It is liable to take two weeks for the jury to be seated which will include a half dozen alternates.
 
acbytesla said:
Shame? Oh that's adorable. Republicans don't feel shame. This is the guy who grabs women by the pussy and lies non-stop.
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Don't forget that Trump swept away the last remnants of what was a pro-gun party and created what is now a proudly anti-gun party, but in denial.

It is not that Trump is a gun grabber and wants to do away with due process prior to suspending civil rights including gun possession. It is because his cult members say that no one should own those kinds of guns and that some people are not entitled to due process.
 
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Ranb said:
Don't forget that Trump swept away the last remnants of what was a pro-gun party and created what is now a proudly anti-gun party, but in denial.

It is not that Trump is a gun grabber and wants to do away with due process prior to suspending civil rights including gun possession. It is because his cult members say that no one should own those kinds of guns and that some people are not entitled to due process.
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Since when did Trump become a gun grabber? Sure, if he became a dictator I wouldn't doubt that he would.
 
Trump banned bump stocks and openly supports taking guns from people with mental issues.
He did more than Obama or Biden.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Trump banned bump stocks and openly supports taking guns from people with mental issues.
He did more than Obama or Biden.
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Trump will drift like a leaf on the wind. If he thinks taking guns will get more people to like him, he'll do it. If he thinks giving them away will get more people to like him, he'll do it.

Trump has no policy other than what aggrandises Trump.
 
arthwollipot said:
Trump will drift like a leaf on the wind. If he thinks taking guns will get more people to like him, he'll do it. If he thinks giving them away will get more people to like him, he'll do it.

Trump has no policy other than what aggrandises Trump.
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doesn't change the facts.
Trump can do what he wants without losing followers, including shooting NRA officials on 5th Avenue. And will do so if he thinks the Media will love him for it.

Biden can't or won't.

Knowing how capricious Trump is, I think the Media has missed a great opportunity to influence him for the better - not that their are incentivises to.
 
Andy_Ross said:
Elon says

"Great damage was done today to the public’s faith in the American legal system.
If a former President can be criminally convicted over such a trivial matter – motivated by politics, rather than justice – then anyone is at risk of a similar fate."
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You can guarantee Elon sees the law as a minor inconvenience.
 
acbytesla said:
Since when did Trump become a gun grabber? Sure, if he became a dictator I wouldn't doubt that he would.
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In 2018. https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2018-12-26/pdf/2018-27763.pdf

He ordered the ATF to amend the CFR to classify bump stocks as machine guns. Since Reagan closed the civilian machine gun registry in 1989, it is impossible for you or I to register our newly made machine guns in the USA without a license.

This is how bump stocks went from a $150 piece of plastic to being contraband machine guns. Bush did the same thing in 2006 for spring loaded bump stocks. This is how Biden accomplish his 2022 gun grab, by classifying forced reset triggers as machine guns.

Classify anything as a machine gun and it is automatically contraband in the USA. I'm surpised that Biden did not do this for all semi-auto firearms capable of bump firing.

Fortunately Trump was unable to get his red flag laws without due process enacted. Suspension of civil rights without due process in peacetime would have been interesting to say the least. https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4717030/user-clip-donald-trump-take-guns-first-due-process-second
 
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The Great Zaganza said:
Trump banned bump stocks and openly supports taking guns from people with mental issues.
He did more than Obama or Biden.
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He banned bump stocks because it made him look tough. Bump stocks are barely a scratch on the US gun problems.

"Openly supports" is nothing like "actually doing something". He also "open supports" letting Russia do whatever the hell it wants with NATO members he thinks are delinquent on their debts to the USA. And decades ago he "openly supported" having innocent black boys hanged regardless. Trump "openly supports" all kinds of stupid Nazified racist ****; always has.

Trump has done a lot worse than Obama and Biden.
 
a_unique_person said:
You can guarantee Elon sees the law as a minor inconvenience.
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Musk, like Trump as well as all truly rich people think of themselves as Privileged - Privilege literally means Private Law - One Law for me, another law for everyone else.
They use the legal system when it suits them, and ignore it otherwise.

That's what happen when you fetishize wealth.
 
Ranb said:
Don't forget that Trump swept away the last remnants of what was a pro-gun party and created what is now a proudly anti-gun party, but in denial.
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Expanding on the "but in denial" portion of my post.

MAGA deny that Trump is a gun grabber, because "bump stocks are not guns". I've tried to link to Trump's CFR amendment that says "bump stocks are machine guns", but it doesn't work.

The MAGA have decided that the president and Congress do not decide what guns are, but the MAGA does. The MAGA say if it doesn't go boom, then it's not a gun. Crazy talk of course, but try explaining gun control law to the MAGA. They think Biden's gun grab is a gun grab though. :)
 
arthwollipot said:
Trump will drift like a leaf on the wind. If he thinks taking guns will get more people to like him, he'll do it. If he thinks giving them away will get more people to like him, he'll do it.

Trump has no policy other than what aggrandises Trump.
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"Giving them away", Trump gives nothing away and indeed often even charges people for giving them nothing.
 
The felon turns up at a UFC event, thereby ruining my pay-for-view. Barely a Democrat in the whole crowd.
 
Garrison said:
Because he's planning to follow Farage to the USA and jump on the MAGA gravy train? Remember he only surrendered his US citizenship when the IRs expected him to pay taxes.
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Pretty sure Sunak will be asking if he can have that green card back & Truss has been over on the grift too. Fancy taking Cameron for the set? He's cheap to house a shepherd's hut will do.
 
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This is the thread about Trump's *criminal* convictions and trials not a general thread
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Originally Posted by Andy_Ross
Elon says

"Great damage was done today to the public’s faith in the American legal system.
If a former President can be criminally convicted over such a trivial matter – motivated by politics, rather than justice – then anyone is at risk of a similar fate."
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This is what I don't get about the pro-trump/trump defenders:

People who despise trump see that there's two sides to this. We may not always be very charitable to the other side but we do make an effort to understand them.

Musk -- and people like Musk -- not only defend trump, they totally ignore the concerns people have. Musk states that this case was "motivated by politics, rather than justice" as though that's a given that everyone agrees on. Only it's not. Why do people like Musk refuse to acknowledge that many people -- probably the majority -- view trump as someone who only obeys the law when it suits him, that he is a very dangerous character?

I could accept Musk's opinion if he was willing to at least acknowledge that reasonable people have very reasonable concerns about donald trump. But Musk is not willing. He's not only got blinders on he seems to be proud of it.

Weird times we're living through. :(
 
Musk is prostituting himself to entice Trump back to twitter, no more, no less.
 
Norman Alexander said:
He banned bump stocks because it made him look tough. Bump stocks are barely a scratch on the US gun problems.

"Openly supports" is nothing like "actually doing something". He also "open supports" letting Russia do whatever the hell it wants with NATO members he thinks are delinquent on their debts to the USA. And decades ago he "openly supported" having innocent black boys hanged regardless. Trump "openly supports" all kinds of stupid Nazified racist ****; always has.

Trump has done a lot worse than Obama and Biden.
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as i recall it was in response to the vegas shooter who used them to kill a bunch of people
 
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