Criminal Charges Against Trump / Trump Indicted / Hush Money Part III

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alfaniner said:
I am mulling over the jury selection, as to whether I'd be a candidate. More than half the pool has been excused for not being able to be impartial or for scheduling conflicts. (No info on percentages of which.) Now, I absolutely hate the guy, but I know I could be impartial and weigh the case on the basis of the evidence. This may seem like an oxymoron and I know right-wing MAGArats would claim bias, but I know I could be fair.

There was a big trial a few years ago (I forget which) where the consensus was that the guy was guilty, but the prosecution was not able to make the case. (Note: it wasn't the Simpson one.) I had to grudgingly agree with the legal decision but morally and mentally I hated to see the guy get off.

That being said, I'd probably never get on the jury anyway. Nor would I want to.
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I can't stand Trump. But I KNOW I wouldn't be biased. I would evaluate the evidence and the law. The problem for Trump is there is significant documentary evidence. There is no question that Trump somehow created false business records.

But what I haven't seen as of yet, is whether Trump knew that he was creating them.
 
CNN: More than half of 96 prospective jurors let go from first panel after saying they couldn't be fair and impartial.
 
William Parcher said:
CNN: More than half of 96 prospective jurors let go from first panel after saying they couldn't be fair and impartial.
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I'm not sure about this statistic's implications. What is the "first panel"? Is it a smaller group of the 96? Or the entire bunch? How many have been excused? (My question is with CNN's chyron reporting, exactly as you stated.)

I think the danger is more in hidden Trump supporter lying, and getting on the jury, rather than someone who admits disliking him but claiming they can be fair.
 
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For anyone just joining us:

The charges center on $130,000 in payments that Trump’s company made to Cohen. He paid that sum on Trump’s behalf to keep Daniels from going public, a month before the election, with her claims of a sexual encounter with the married mogul a decade earlier.

Prosecutors say the payments to Cohen were falsely logged as legal fees in order to cloak their actual purpose. Trump’s lawyers say the disbursements indeed were legal expenses, not a cover-up.

After decades of fielding and initiating lawsuits, the businessman-turned-politician now faces a trial that could result in up to four years in prison if he’s convicted, though a no-jail sentence also would be possible. Trump would also be expected to appeal any conviction.
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https://apnews.com/article/8da8759352478be8effd3d5734aae35e
 
Orphia Nay said:
For anyone just joining us:

The charges center on $130,000 in payments that Trump’s company made to Cohen. He paid that sum on Trump’s behalf to keep Daniels from going public, a month before the election, with her claims of a sexual encounter with the married mogul a decade earlier.

Prosecutors say the payments to Cohen were falsely logged as legal fees in order to cloak their actual purpose. Trump’s lawyers say the disbursements indeed were legal expenses, not a cover-up.

After decades of fielding and initiating lawsuits, the businessman-turned-politician now faces a trial that could result in up to four years in prison if he’s convicted, though a no-jail sentence also would be possible. Trump would also be expected to appeal any conviction.
https://apnews.com/article/8da875935...fd3d5734aae35e
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This seems a reach. Will be interesting watching them make this argument.

Are they going to say that payoffs are legitimate legal expenses? Or are they going to say that these payments made to Cohen were for something else entirely?
 
And right on cue.

Right Wing Broadcaster Asks Trump Fans In NYC To Do Something Very Illegal.

A right-wing broadcaster is asking Donald Trump supporters in New York to do the wrong thing.

The former president’s hush money trial got underway on Monday, and right-wing broadcast Clay Travis took to X, formerly Twitter, to implore Trump fans in the Big Apple to commit a felony to help their fearless leader.

Travis suggested that any Trump supporter “who is a part of the jury pool, do everything you can to get seated on the jury and then refuse to convict as a matter of principle, dooming the case via hung jury.”

He added: “It’s the most patriotic thing you could possibly do.”

It is a federal crime to lie to get on a jury. Since jurors are only supposed to make a verdict based solely on evidence presented during a trial, many people on social media pointed out Travis’ suggestion may count as jury tampering, a felony.
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Party of Law & Order.
 
Stacyhs said:
Probably. But he did have a real wake up moment when he realized that Trump dropped him like a hot potato once he was charged. Trump has no loyalty to anyone but himself. I believe he'd throw his own kids under the bus if it was to his advantage.
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Yea. This is where Trump showed how fast Trump will turn against someone. Cohen was not only a long time associate, but a long time friend. Or as much of a friend Trump has ever had.

It was also penny wise and pound stupid.
 
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pgwenthold said:
Meanwhile, Don fell asleep in court today.
I admit, actual trials are as boring as all get out, but when you make a living calling your political opponent Sleepy Joe, you might want to avoid falling asleep at your trial.
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Stacyhs said:
Trump's lie-a-thon this morning on TS:
"I want my VOICE back. This Crooked Judge has GAGGED me. Unconstitutional! The other side can talk about me, but I am not allowed to talk about them! Rigged Trial!"

"Why didn’t they bring this totally discredited lawsuit 7 years ago??? Election Interference!"

“As virtually every legal scholar has powerfully stated, the Biden Manhattan Witch Hunt Case is, among other things, BARRED by the Statute of Limitations. This ‘trial’ should be ended by the highly conflicted presiding Judge.”k

In the courthouse this morning, Trump continued his lie-a-thon:

"Every legal scholar said this this case is nonsense, it should never have been brought."

And MAGA idiots will swallow it all while nodding their heads in agreement with Dear Leader. Because the Chosen One never lies.
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Sleep-posting...?
 
pgwenthold said:
Meanwhile, Don fell asleep in court today.

I admit, actual trials are as boring as all get out, but when you make a living calling your political opponent Sleepy Joe, you might want to avoid falling asleep at your trial.
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Staying awake in court is often monumentally difficult. I've been fortunate to have very accommodating judges who generally call a ten-minute recess every two hours or so. But yeah, Trump is not looking good today in any sense.
 
plague311 said:
Hung Jury just means they'd have to try him again, and this time they'd probably screen a bit more. I wonder if he knows that a hung jury doesn't mean an acquittal?
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A re-trial isn't a cetainty. Also too, what sort of screening would guarantee an absolutely objective jury?

I'd venture a great many U.S. voters don't understand what a hung jury means, and might feel a re-trial is unfair to Trump; his cult members certainly would.
 
Falling asleep happens mainly to the guilty. Innocent, falsely accused persons would be terrified during proceedings.
 
zorro99 said:
Falling asleep happens mainly to the guilty. Innocent, falsely accused persons would be terrified during proceedings.
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Even so, jury selection is exceedingly tedious.

Apropos, bar exam results dropped last night so it's going to be a busy night at the ol' watering hole. Congratulations and condolences tend to polarize toward consumption either way. Utah law prevents me from giving away discounted drinks, but it doesn't stop me from giving out free food. :D
 
JayUtah said:
Staying awake in court is often monumentally difficult. I've been fortunate to have very accommodating judges who generally call a ten-minute recess every two hours or so. But yeah, Trump is not looking good today in any sense.
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I know damn well that if I was in court for my own trial, I'd be awake for it.
 
I think we'd like to believe we could be impartial, but I don't believe most of us could. Not from what's been posted in ISF for several years now. I know I couldn't be. Our biases affect our thinking subconsciously whether we recognize it or not.
 
Stacyhs said:
I think we'd like to believe we could be impartial, but I don't believe most of us could. Not from what's been posted in ISF for several years now. I know I couldn't be. Our biases affect our thinking subconsciously whether we recognize it or not.
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I absolutely believe I could and would be impartial. That doesn't mean I don't have an opinion at this moment. Frankly, I hate this case. Unlike the insurrection and the documents case, I need more information than I presently have.

I don't doubt for a second that Trump slept around on his wife. But that isn't a crime. And neither is buying silence. I need to understand why and how the business records were made.
 
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