Cont: Luton Airport Car Park Fire III

[Vixen]

Turns out the angel guarding Eden is actually wielding a flaming EV. The sword thing is a big coverup by Rishi Sunak.

Bitcoin Bertie is the guru of the conspiracy theorists

https://x.com/BitcoinBertie/status/1712413409768001952

Forget BBC or the TIMES. Bitcoin Bertie is the go-to for a reliable source.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

You mocking the perceived reliability of other people's sources is hilariously ironic considering the delusional nutcases you link to.

 

[JayUtah]

You are free to write whatever you like.

I have, and will continue to do so. The citations you are demanding left and right from people pointing out your behavior are among the things I write about. When I point out which logical errors you are making, I'm generally quite comprehensive.

I am free to point out the fallacious nature of the argument presented...

But you haven't done that. You've merely complained that others have noted the similarities between your approach and that of nominal conspiracy theorists. You haven't shown how their observation is based on missing or unreliable facts. You haven't shown how the reasoning is flawed. You're simply whining that people are criticizing you.

...and whether it meets the criteria of logical debate.

What criteria? By whose estimation?

 

[JayUtah]

Bitcoin Bertie is the go-to for a reliable source.

According to what criteria? By whose estimation?

 

[JayUtah]

The original meaning of conspire or conspiracy...

...is irrelevant. Words take on special meanings when they are combined with others. You have insinuated that you accept the Oxford English Dictionary as an authority. I have given you the modern OED definition of "conspiracy theorist." Address that.

If Sunak gets away with...

More yarn and pushpins fantasy.

The more is emphasised it is not an EV of any sort involved, the more it raises suspicions, given people can see what is in the airport CCTV for themselves.

No. That people have to emphasize their findings in the face of irrational objection is not proof that the objection is well founded. Interpreting CCTV images requires expertise you do not have, and which many others "for themselves" do not have. This, of course, will not stop them from expressing ignorant opinions. But it has no evidentiary value.

 

[Foster Zygote]

Er, you, Smart Cooky and catsmate are the ones who think 'Bitcoin Bertie' with 517 followers is a verified source that the vehicle in question was a JLR Sport 2014!

'Bitcoin Bertie'! Laughing out loud,

Actually, no. But we can chalk that up to your notoriously poor reading comprehension.

This is just a red herring, because you are desperate to distract attention from your utter failure at "analysis" of the photos. I've never claimed to know that either image is authentic, although we have no reason to think either is faked. You're the one claiming that the image from the front is fake, and the reasons you're offering to justify that claim are geometrically unfounded. Your claim that the floor is sloping in different directions isn't based on any empirical reasoning, it's based on your ignorance of how your brain can misinterpret the orientation of the environment in a photograph based on your own immediate surroundings.

There's no further point in asking you what geometric references you used to determine the slope of the floor in either image, because it's transparently obvious that you have none. As usual, you're pretending to know what you're talking about.

 

[jimbob]

The original meaning of conspire or conspiracy is to plot something bad or unlawful It does not mean 'someone I disagree with' or 'matters in dispute'.

Here is the etymology here:

1.a.
c1386–
The action of conspiring; combination of persons for an evil or unlawful purpose.

c1386
Brutus and Cassius..Ful prively hath made conspiracie Agains this Julius in subtil wise.
G. Chaucer, Monk's Tale 621Citation details for G. Chaucer, Monk's Tale
1389
Enpresoned falslich..by fals conspiracie.
in J. T. Smith & L. T. Smith, English Gilds (1870) 5Citation details for in J. T. Smith & L. T. Smith, English Gilds
1602
Made a partner in conspiracie.
J. Marston, Antonios Reuenge v. i. sig. I2vCitation details for J. Marston, Antonios Reuenge
a1616
Open-ey'd Conspiracie His time doth take.
W. Shakespeare, Tempest (1623) ii. i. 306Citation details for W. Shakespeare, Tempest
1667
Combin'd In bold conspiracy against Heav'ns King.
J. Milton, Paradise Lost ii. 751Citation details for J. Milton, Paradise Lost
a1832
In the very import of the word conspiracy is therefore included the conspiracy to do a bad thing.
J. Bentham, Justice & Codif. Petit. in Works (1843) vol. V. 485Citation details for J. Bentham, Justice & Codif. Petit.
1841
Society everywhere is in conspiracy against the manhood of every one of its members.
R. W. Emerson, Self-reliance in Essays 1st Series (London edition) 50Citation details for R. W. Emerson, Self-reliance

https://www.oed.com/dictionary/conspiracy_n?tl=true

Don't confuse conspiracy theory with scandal, which Watergate was. Whilst some might consider it a bad thing if a politician profits financially from his or her own policies, if it is commonplace, as it is in recent UK history, then it is more to do with principles , ethics, governance and transparency. If Sunak gets away with, say, profitting by investing in Tata JLR - and we cannot check because he has put all of his business interests - including his own Cayman Islands listed company - on to a blind register, with the ostensible claim this is done as a virtue as he has given up any direct oversight or stewardship of his own investments, plus he sold his shares in Infosys back to his wife. So that's OK then!!! (We are told.) Based on the recent history of Sunak and contemporaneous UK government ministers, and the financial scandals surrounding them, together with a good acquaintance with economic affairs and how the British press works, I don't believe my views are a 'conspiracy theory' because it is in plain sight that the identity of the vehicle is being withheld from the public and the only explanation would be Sunak via the government protecting his/its interests, given that in past car fires, the vehicle was identified by the press and not concealed. The more is emphasised it is not an EV of any sort involved, the more it raises suspicions, given people can see what is in the airport CCTV for themselves.

Why are you giving the definition of "conspiracy", rather than "conspiracy theory"?

If I talked about a monkey wrench, as a tool, would you correct me by saying that a monkey is a type of primate?

 

[The Common Potato]

Why are you giving the definition of "conspiracy", rather than "conspiracy theory"?

'Cos, innit. Obvs.

 

[Steve]

Why are you giving the definition of "conspiracy", rather than "conspiracy theory"?

If I talked about a monkey wrench, as a tool, would you correct me by saying that a monkey is a type of primate?

Being charitable, perhaps she honestly does no know the difference.

 

[junkshop]

Oh, I really timed my little flouncette poorly.


There's comedy gold in them thar posts. Gawd bless you VIxen, for the fuel you can't help but throw onto the fire of what remains of any credibility you ever may have had.

I can only assume that you are powered by a lithium battery.

 

[GlennB]

Why are you giving the definition of "conspiracy", rather than "conspiracy theory"?

If I talked about a monkey wrench, as a tool, would you correct me by saying that a monkey is a type of primate?

Because, when her stupidity is caught bang-to-rights, Vixen will endlessly repeat some aspect of some fraction of her claim which could be considered correct.

"I type, therefore I survive" [/Descartes]

 

[gabeygoat]

Citation, please where I have done anything of the sort.

Personal abuse is OK if couched in the form of a Bingo card?

your entire theory revolves around column B, Row 4

 

[Steve]

your entire theory revolves around column B, Row 4

Not so much a theory. More of a fable really.

 

[Vixen]

Why are you giving the definition of "conspiracy", rather than "conspiracy theory"?

If I talked about a monkey wrench, as a tool, would you correct me by saying that a monkey is a type of primate?

To a poet, every word has a meaning (not that I am saying I am a poet) but I share that view. People use terms and they know not the meaning of the term.

Thus, monkey wrench is called a monkey wrench because:

"the monkey wrench has a fixed upper jaw with a lower jaw that can move up and down the wrench through a screw mechanism. It got the name "monkey wrench" because the movement of the lower jaw up and down the wrench seemed to look like a monkey climbing up and down a branch." How stuff works

If only more people would think about the meaning of the words they use.

That fact someone sees flames in a photo or video that look like lithium flames does not mean they are a 'conspiracy theorist'. Perhaps they just happen to have better powers of observation than people who do not look but need a caption to tell them what they are looking at.

 

[JayUtah]

If only more people would think about the meaning of the words they use.

You mean like "de minimis?"

The definition of "conspiracy theorist" from your favorite dictionary has been presented to you, and evidence has been shown to support the contention that your behavior here fits that definition. You can either contend with that or you can continue confirming it through belabored Vixensplaining.

That fact someone sees flames in a photo or video that look like lithium flames does not mean they are a 'conspiracy theorist'.

The fact that someone believes they can make an informed judgment along such lines without demonstrating an understanding of the interpretational factors suggests they are arrogating expertise they do not have. Pretending to have expertise you do not have is a hallmark of a conspiracy theorist.

Vigorously begging the question is not a substitute for knowledge and evidence.

Perhaps they just happen to have better powers of observation than people...

No. You're not somehow naturally better than everyone else. There are important principles and techniques we've discovered via experience are necessary to the reliable extraction of evidentiary information from a photographic record. These must be studied and mastered, and reasoned about quantitatively. They do not magically arise just because you wish them to. You cannot demonstrate the slightest understanding of any of it, or even acknowledge that anything other than an uninformed "Looks like it to me..." might be required.

Unbridled arrogance is not a substitute for knowledge and evidence.

 

[catsmate]

Mine turned me in to a Newt!

Great Crested? The world needs more newts.

 

[catsmate]

Andrew Hopkinson 11 Oct 2023, press conference.

You believe a person on X with 200 followers who posted a video that NO-ONE else has taken up as authentic? And you call me a conspiracy theorist.

Still lying I see.

I am not into social media memes. Too many people believe that calling people trendy names actually means anything. Merriam-Webster in particular is full of Americanisms missing meaning by a mile in its efforts to be hip and edgy.
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Even for you that's a pathetic attempt at evasion.

 

[catsmate]

You whine like a child every time someone points out that you're doing nothing more than conspiracy mongering. This clearly touches a nerve. Pointing out that you are a conspiracy theorist is not social media ephemera. It is a proper psychology term with a body of research beneath it, an accurate description of your behavior, and a proper shorthand to describe why your claims are unconvincing.

And I'm not into your snobbery. I dare you to post the Oxford English Dictionary definition of "conspiracy theorist.".

The interesting thing is how old the term is, 1909.

Just as soon as you stop spewing conspiracy theories.

I wouldn't hold my breath on that.

 

[catsmate]

Er, you, Smart Cooky and catsmate are the ones who think 'Bitcoin Bertie' with 517 followers is a verified source that the vehicle in question was a JLR Sport 2014!

'Bitcoin Bertie'! Laughing out loud,

How surprising, you're lying again.
I have never mentioned, let alone cited, "BitcoinBertie". Nor have I cited anyone on TwiX in this thread. I am not a member of TwiX, though I do occasionally visit Larry the Cat.
Pathetic drivel, also as usual for Vixen.

 

[zooterkin]

Er, you, Smart Cooky and catsmate are the ones who think 'Bitcoin Bertie' with 517 followers is a verified source that the vehicle in question was a JLR Sport 2014!

'Bitcoin Bertie'! Laughing out loud,

So, who you would you trust instead? Official statements from the Bedfordshire Fire and Rescue service? No, apparently not, but some random guy on the internet who know a bloke who sells cars.