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Vixen said:
There is speculation that the flames are coming from a parked car in front of it.
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Weasel words. In another thread right now there is speculation that civilization is facing imminent destruction from Nibiru. There is speculation that Donald Trump is going to heroically defeat the evil Democrats and Hollywood elites who are murdering children to consume their adrenochrome and remain young indefinitely. You're simply using the word in an attempt to hide your lack of supporting evidence, the same way Trump says, "a lot of people are saying".

Might be authentic but OTOH the BBC airport-released CCTV shows a completely different terrain, with the car on an uphill slope left of the centre white line. The latter shows the vehicle striding the white line and on a flat surface and in almost a valley, rather than ascending. So IMV a probable deep fake designed to wind-up the anti-EV anti-ULEZ mob.
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This is still complete ********. There are no geometric references in those images to allow you to determine which way the floor is sloping. Say you view a photograph taken looking down a long, blank hallway without any doors or windows. How can you tell the difference between a camera held level to the force of gravity shooting down a hall with a 10° slope downward away from the observer, and a camera held at a 10° upward angle shooting down a level hallway? For that matter, how would you determine if the camera is aimed down by a 10° angle in a hallway sloping down at a 20° angle? For all your pretense of understanding math, you lack even the simple understanding of Euclidean geometry to see how ridiculous your photographic analyses performance piece actually is.

And your claim about the position of the painted line is equally untrue. I know because I used a piece of paper as a straight edge to check way back when you originally made that claim, and the line passes under the same part of the vehicle in both images.

For example, there was a guy in the news claiming his EV was going at 100mph of its own free will and would not stop and some other guy claiming his EV had mounted some car behind and then one in front even though he had switched the whole thing off. Both guys were penalized by the police.
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Because both of those guys were clearly lying.
 
I'm still trying to work out what 'mounted' might even mean. 'Collided with'? That would be a weird translation, even using Google translate.
 
SpitfireIX said:
Here, again, is the definition of "conspiracy theory" from Merriam-Webster, which, also again, is a respected American dictionary publisher. I'll include the entire definition this time, in order to head off any allegations of cherry-picking. All bolding, italics, and ellipses are original. The hiliting is mine.

conspiracy theory noun
plural conspiracy theories
: a theory that explains an event or set of circumstances as the result of a secret plot by usually powerful conspirators
the conspiracy theories surrounding Kennedy's assassination
also : a theory asserting that a secret of great importance is being kept from the public… is best known for … his conspiracy theory that a secret cabal of reptilian humanoids is running the world.
—Simon Little
… has often been criticized for promoting conspiracy theories such as "birtherism," the theory that President Obama was not born in the U.S.
—Grace Segers​

Here, also, is an excerpt from the description of the logical fallacy of "special pleading" from logicallyfallacious.com: "Description: Applying standards, principles, and/or rules to other people or circumstances, while making oneself or certain circumstances exempt from the same critical criteria, without providing adequate justification. Special pleading is often a result of strong emotional beliefs that interfere with reason."

So kindly explain to us, Vixen, how it is that you are not promoting a conspiracy theory, and you are not committing the fallacy of special pleading.
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Merriam-Webster is a dreadful dictionary.

Here is the Oxford English version:

"conspiracy
/kənˈspɪrəsi/
noun
a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful.
"she served five years in prison for taking part in a conspiracy to sell stolen art works"
Similar:
plot
scheme
stratagem
plan
machination
cabal
intrigue"


Bolding, mine.
 
Foster Zygote said:
Weasel words. In another thread right now there is speculation that civilization is facing imminent destruction from Nibiru. There is speculation that Donald Trump is going to heroically defeat the evil Democrats and Hollywood elites who are murdering children to consume their adrenochrome and remain young indefinitely. You're simply using the word in an attempt to hide your lack of supporting evidence, the same way Trump says, "a lot of people are saying".


This is still complete ********. There are no geometric references in those images to allow you to determine which way the floor is sloping. Say you view a photograph taken looking down a long, blank hallway without any doors or windows. How can you tell the difference between a camera held level to the force of gravity shooting down a hall with a 10° slope downward away from the observer, and a camera held at a 10° upward angle shooting down a level hallway? For that matter, how would you determine if the camera is aimed down by a 10° angle in a hallway sloping down at a 20° angle? For all your pretense of understanding math, you lack even the simple understanding of Euclidean geometry to see how ridiculous your photographic analyses performance piece actually is.

And your claim about the position of the painted line is equally untrue. I know because I used a piece of paper as a straight edge to check way back when you originally made that claim, and the line passes under the same part of the vehicle in both images.


Because both of those guys were clearly lying.
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You believe a person on X with 200 followers who posted a video that NO-ONE else has taken up as authentic? And you call me a conspiracy theorist.
 
JayUtah said:
You looked up a different word. Do you dare produce what OED has for the definition of “conspiracy theorist” ?
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I am not into social media memes. Too many people believe that calling people trendy names actually means anything. Merriam-Webster in particular is full of Americanisms missing meaning by a mile in its efforts to be hip and edgy.

To discover the meaning of a word it is useful to follow the etymology. Oxford Dictionary describes the meaning of 'conspiracy' perfectly. If we follow the history of the word, we discover the phrase 'conspiracy theory' was made popular following works of fiction by Robert Anton Wilson (The Illuminati Papers) or 'The Blood of the Grail' ('What if Jesus married and had descendants?', and swiftly followed by Dan Brown and his Da Vinci Code (ditto). All good fun, I am sure, but extending it to mean a commonplace press embargo on mundane government sensitive material is just as lazy as calling everyone you disagree with pathetic names, as if a thing becomes so because just because you are equipped with a phrase or word from social media that impresses you. Have at it.

In the meantime, people are perfectly entitled to speculate on what might have caused an accident and its effect. That is not the same thing as claiming, 'Zionists were behind 9/11', for example, as detractors try to make out. People have been speculating the cause of events since Adam and Eve.

GOSSIP <fx twitches curtain> Will you look at that? Him and her across the road in that thar 'Garden of Eden' have just been evicted by Him Upstairs!

GOSSIP #2: Nooooooo! I heard she was caught messing around with a snake and they wuz fermenting apples to make cider and getting right proper drunk...

Please stop with the idea that this thread is anything to do with ridiculous 'conspiracy theories'.
 
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