Cont: Luton Airport Car Park Fire III

[Vixen]

For someone who claims not to be a conspiracy theorist, you sure as hell tick a lot of these boxes....

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...and not just in this thread!!!
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Citation, please where I have done anything of the sort.

Personal abuse is OK if couched in the form of a Bingo card?

 

[Vixen]

That would still leave, for example, "ludicrous conspiracy theories", "crazy conspiracy theories", "conspiracy theories you wouldn't dare show to a psychiatrist", and "Vixen's own conspiracy theories".

Citation please of examples or do you believe putting things in quotation marks exempts you from being personally abusive?

Oh so you don't have any examples. Hate mail is OK if directed at moi-meme.

 

[Vixen]

I think 'Twitter/X' is close enough to 'Daily Mail reader comments' that we can allow it.

Er, you, Smart Cooky and catsmate are the ones who think 'Bitcoin Bertie' with 517 followers is a verified source that the vehicle in question was a JLR Sport 2014!

'Bitcoin Bertie'! Laughing out loud,

 

[GlennB]

Citation please of examples or do you believe putting things in quotation marks exempts you from being personally abusive?

Oh so you don't have any examples. Hate mail is OK if directed at moi-meme.

Yet again you get the use of a foreign language wrong

Stop doing it, eh? It's the exact opposite of 'impressive'.

eta: It should be moi-même, with the circumflex, so you're both wrong and lazy with it.

 

[theprestige]

People have been speculating the cause of events since Adam and Eve.

GOSSIP <fx twitches curtain> Will you look at that? Him and her across the road in that thar 'Garden of Eden' have just been evicted by Him Upstairs!

GOSSIP #2: Nooooooo! I heard she was caught messing around with a snake and they wuz fermenting apples to make cider and getting right proper drunk...

Please stop with the idea that this thread is anything to do with ridiculous 'conspiracy theories'.

How? How do you go with possibly the least-speculated-about-causes-of-events in human history?

The whole point of the story is to clearly explain the causes of certain events. There is zero speculation there. Not even the characters are in any doubt as to what caused the events. God knows what happened, and why. Adam and Eve know what happened, and why. Lucifer knows what happened and why. Nobody in that story is speculating about anything.

If you're gonna get Biblical, you could at least go with Job.

 

[The Common Potato]

Richard and Hyacinth, maybe. Well, Hyacinth anyway.

Hyacinth Bucket:

 

[Vixen]

How? How do you go with possibly the least-speculated-about-causes-of-events in human history?

The whole point of the story is to clearly explain the causes of certain events. There is zero speculation there. Not even the characters are in any doubt as to what caused the events. God knows what happened, and why. Adam and Eve know what happened, and why. Lucifer knows what happened and why. Nobody in that story is speculating about anything.

If you're gonna get Biblical, you could at least go with Job.

The book of Job is an excellent example of pure abstract philosophy.

Adam & Eve is an allegorical lesson of the supposed first humans.

The issue of the Luton Airport car park fire is a current affairs event that actually happened.

People believe that it is a conspiracy theory because someone called 'Bitciont Bertie' on Twitter has demonstrated that the vehicle in question is a JLR Sport 2014 with an almost certain deep fake* video because it upsets them to believe that some people identify the flames in the official airport CCTV as looking very much like a lithium-ion source fire.

*If it is not a deep fake, why hasn't Beds Fire & Rescue Services not confirmed it in their webpage? Why hasn't the BBC shown the video put up by 'Bitcoin Bertie'..?

So suddenly a press embargo is fine when it is 'Bitcoin Bertie' on X, with 517 followers.

 

[SpitfireIX]

Merriam-Webster is a dreadful dictionary.

No. You just pulled that out of an orifice because you don't like the fact the definition accurately describes your behavior. "And the Collegiate—and therefore, I have to assume, M-W.com—is in wide use. Stylebooks including The Chicago Manual, and periodicals ranging from The New Yorker to MIT Technology Review, have it as their house dictionary." (source)

Here is the Oxford English version:

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As noted, you gave the definition of "conspiracy," rather than "conspiracy theory." There are three possibilities, none of which reflect well on you.

The first possibility is that you don't understand the difference. Watergate was a conspiracy. The idea that FDR knew the Japanese were going to attack Pearl Harbor but let it happen on purpose (LIHOP) in order to get the US into WWII is a conspiracy theory.

The second possibility is that you Googled something like "OED conspiracy theory" and failed to notice that the definition you got back was actually the definition of "conspiracy."

The third possibility is that you did realize that you were posting an incorrect definition, but that you went ahead anyway, as a red herring.

So which was it, Vixen?

 

[Mojo]

The issue of the Luton Airport car park fire is a current affairs event that actually happened.

And the conspiracy theories about it are conspiracy theories.

 

[JayUtah]

Citation, please where I have done anything of the sort.

See any of my posts in this thread.

Personal abuse is OK if couched in the form of a Bingo card?

Personal abuse is not allowed by the rules. If you believe you are being personally abused, report the post for moderation. Otherwise do not claim it for rhetorical effect. I agree that the items on the Bingo card accurately describe your performance in this and your other threads. For citations, see any of my posts in those threads.

Citation please of examples or do you believe putting things in quotation marks exempts you from being personally abusive?

Personal abuse is not allowed by the rules. If you believe you are being personally abused, report the post for moderation. Otherwise do not claim it for rhetorical effect. Other posters' opinions of the evidentiary value of your conspiracy theories is not personal abuse.

Hate mail is OK if directed at moi-meme.

If you are displeased with the responses to your claims, you can either change or support your claims, or find a more receptive audience.

 

[JayUtah]

The issue of the Luton Airport car park fire is a current affairs event that actually happened.

Agreed. However, your discussion about that in this thread is tantamount to a conspiracy theory.

People believe that it is a conspiracy theory because someone called 'Bitciont Bertie' on Twitter has demonstrated that the vehicle in question is a JLR Sport 2014 with an almost certain deep fake* video because it upsets them to believe that some people identify the flames in the official airport CCTV as looking very much like a lithium-ion source fire.

Asked and answered. You demand that we recognize expertise you insinuate but do not have.

*If it is not a deep fake, why hasn't Beds Fire & Rescue Services not confirmed it in their webpage? Why hasn't the BBC shown the video put up by 'Bitcoin Bertie'..?

Straw man.

So suddenly a press embargo is fine when it is 'Bitcoin Bertie' on X, with 517 followers.

For someone who claims no interest in social media memes, you seem to rely heavily on claims and arguments provided on social media, as opposed to reliable information provided by designated authority acting within the scope of their duties.

 

[jimbob]

How? How do you go with possibly the least-speculated-about-causes-of-events in human history?

The whole point of the story is to clearly explain the causes of certain events. There is zero speculation there. Not even the characters are in any doubt as to what caused the events. God knows what happened, and why. Adam and Eve know what happened, and why. Lucifer knows what happened and why. Nobody in that story is speculating about anything.

If you're gonna get Biblical, you could at least go with Job.

Put like that, it seems an ideal metaphor for an event with zero speculation.

 

[Vixen]

No. You just pulled that out of an orifice because you don't like the fact the definition accurately describes your behavior. "And the Collegiate—and therefore, I have to assume, M-W.com—is in wide use. Stylebooks including The Chicago Manual, and periodicals ranging from The New Yorker to MIT Technology Review, have it as their house dictionary." (source)




As noted, you gave the definition of "conspiracy," rather than "conspiracy theory." There are three possibilities, none of which reflect well on you.

The first possibility is that you don't understand the difference. Watergate was a conspiracy. The idea that FDR knew the Japanese were going to attack Pearl Harbor but let it happen on purpose (LIHOP) in order to get the US into WWII is a conspiracy theory.

The second possibility is that you Googled something like "OED conspiracy theory" and failed to notice that the definition you got back was actually the definition of "conspiracy."

The third possibility is that you did realize that you were posting an incorrect definition, but that you went ahead anyway, as a red herring.

So which was it, Vixen?

The original meaning of conspire or conspiracy is to plot something bad or unlawful It does not mean 'someone I disagree with' or 'matters in dispute'.

Here is the etymology here:

1.a.
c1386–
The action of conspiring; combination of persons for an evil or unlawful purpose.

c1386
Brutus and Cassius..Ful prively hath made conspiracie Agains this Julius in subtil wise.
G. Chaucer, Monk's Tale 621Citation details for G. Chaucer, Monk's Tale
1389
Enpresoned falslich..by fals conspiracie.
in J. T. Smith & L. T. Smith, English Gilds (1870) 5Citation details for in J. T. Smith & L. T. Smith, English Gilds
1602
Made a partner in conspiracie.
J. Marston, Antonios Reuenge v. i. sig. I2vCitation details for J. Marston, Antonios Reuenge
a1616
Open-ey'd Conspiracie His time doth take.
W. Shakespeare, Tempest (1623) ii. i. 306Citation details for W. Shakespeare, Tempest
1667
Combin'd In bold conspiracy against Heav'ns King.
J. Milton, Paradise Lost ii. 751Citation details for J. Milton, Paradise Lost
a1832
In the very import of the word conspiracy is therefore included the conspiracy to do a bad thing.
J. Bentham, Justice & Codif. Petit. in Works (1843) vol. V. 485Citation details for J. Bentham, Justice & Codif. Petit.
1841
Society everywhere is in conspiracy against the manhood of every one of its members.
R. W. Emerson, Self-reliance in Essays 1st Series (London edition) 50Citation details for R. W. Emerson, Self-reliance

https://www.oed.com/dictionary/conspiracy_n?tl=true

Don't confuse conspiracy theory with scandal, which Watergate was. Whilst some might consider it a bad thing if a politician profits financially from his or her own policies, if it is commonplace, as it is in recent UK history, then it is more to do with principles , ethics, governance and transparency. If Sunak gets away with, say, profitting by investing in Tata JLR - and we cannot check because he has put all of his business interests - including his own Cayman Islands listed company - on to a blind register, with the ostensible claim this is done as a virtue as he has given up any direct oversight or stewardship of his own investments, plus he sold his shares in Infosys back to his wife. So that's OK then!!! (We are told.) Based on the recent history of Sunak and contemporaneous UK government ministers, and the financial scandals surrounding them, together with a good acquaintance with economic affairs and how the British press works, I don't believe my views are a 'conspiracy theory' because it is in plain sight that the identity of the vehicle is being withheld from the public and the only explanation would be Sunak via the government protecting his/its interests, given that in past car fires, the vehicle was identified by the press and not concealed. The more is emphasised it is not an EV of any sort involved, the more it raises suspicions, given people can see what is in the airport CCTV for themselves.

 

[theprestige]

Put like that, it seems an ideal metaphor for an event with zero speculation.

Turns out the angel guarding Eden is actually wielding a flaming EV. The sword thing is a big coverup by Rishi Sunak.

 

[Mojo]

Citation, please where I have done anything of the sort.

You've really forgotten?

 

[Vixen]

See any of my posts in this thread.



Personal abuse is not allowed by the rules. If you believe you are being personally abused, report the post for moderation. Otherwise do not claim it for rhetorical effect. I agree that the items on the Bingo card accurately describe your performance in this and your other threads. For citations, see any of my posts in those threads.



Personal abuse is not allowed by the rules. If you believe you are being personally abused, report the post for moderation. Otherwise do not claim it for rhetorical effect. Other posters' opinions of the evidentiary value of your conspiracy theories is not personal abuse.



If you are displeased with the responses to your claims, you can either change or support your claims, or find a more receptive audience.

You are free to write whatever you like. I am free to point out the fallacious nature of the argument presented and whether it meets the criteria of logical debate.

 

[Mojo]

I am free to point out the fallacious nature of the argument presented and whether it meets the criteria of logical debate.

 

[Matthew Best]

The original meaning of conspire or conspiracy is to plot something bad or unlawful It does not mean 'someone I disagree with' or 'matters in dispute'.

Here is the etymology here:

1.a.
c1386–
The action of conspiring; combination of persons for an evil or unlawful purpose.

c1386
Brutus and Cassius..Ful prively hath made conspiracie Agains this Julius in subtil wise.
G. Chaucer, Monk's Tale 621Citation details for G. Chaucer, Monk's Tale
1389
Enpresoned falslich..by fals conspiracie.
in J. T. Smith & L. T. Smith, English Gilds (1870) 5Citation details for in J. T. Smith & L. T. Smith, English Gilds
1602
Made a partner in conspiracie.
J. Marston, Antonios Reuenge v. i. sig. I2vCitation details for J. Marston, Antonios Reuenge
a1616
Open-ey'd Conspiracie His time doth take.
W. Shakespeare, Tempest (1623) ii. i. 306Citation details for W. Shakespeare, Tempest
1667
Combin'd In bold conspiracy against Heav'ns King.
J. Milton, Paradise Lost ii. 751Citation details for J. Milton, Paradise Lost
a1832
In the very import of the word conspiracy is therefore included the conspiracy to do a bad thing.
J. Bentham, Justice & Codif. Petit. in Works (1843) vol. V. 485Citation details for J. Bentham, Justice & Codif. Petit.
1841
Society everywhere is in conspiracy against the manhood of every one of its members.
R. W. Emerson, Self-reliance in Essays 1st Series (London edition) 50Citation details for R. W. Emerson, Self-reliance

https://www.oed.com/dictionary/conspiracy_n?tl=true

Don't confuse conspiracy theory with scandal, which Watergate was. Whilst some might consider it a bad thing if a politician profits financially from his or her own policies, if it is commonplace, as it is in recent UK history, then it is more to do with principles , ethics, governance and transparency. If Sunak gets away with, say, profitting by investing in Tata JLR - and we cannot check because he has put all of his business interests - including his own Cayman Islands listed company - on to a blind register, with the ostensible claim this is done as a virtue as he has given up any direct oversight or stewardship of his own investments, plus he sold his shares in Infosys back to his wife. So that's OK then!!! (We are told.) Based on the recent history of Sunak and contemporaneous UK government ministers, and the financial scandals surrounding them, together with a good acquaintance with economic affairs and how the British press works, I don't believe my views are a 'conspiracy theory' because it is in plain sight that the identity of the vehicle is being withheld from the public and the only explanation would be Sunak via the government protecting his/its interests, given that in past car fires, the vehicle was identified by the press and not concealed. The more is emphasised it is not an EV of any sort involved, the more it raises suspicions, given people can see what is in the airport CCTV for themselves.

Once again you've defined "conspiracy" instead of "conspiracy theory" despite responding to a post in which this is pointed out as a deficiency in your previous post.

Also, this is a conspiracy theory.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

The original meaning of conspire or conspiracy is to plot something bad or unlawful It does not mean 'someone I disagree with' or 'matters in dispute'.

Here is the etymology here:

1.a.
c1386–
The action of conspiring; combination of persons for an evil or unlawful purpose.

c1386
Brutus and Cassius..Ful prively hath made conspiracie Agains this Julius in subtil wise.
G. Chaucer, Monk's Tale 621Citation details for G. Chaucer, Monk's Tale
1389
Enpresoned falslich..by fals conspiracie.
in J. T. Smith & L. T. Smith, English Gilds (1870) 5Citation details for in J. T. Smith & L. T. Smith, English Gilds
1602
Made a partner in conspiracie.
J. Marston, Antonios Reuenge v. i. sig. I2vCitation details for J. Marston, Antonios Reuenge
a1616
Open-ey'd Conspiracie His time doth take.
W. Shakespeare, Tempest (1623) ii. i. 306Citation details for W. Shakespeare, Tempest
1667
Combin'd In bold conspiracy against Heav'ns King.
J. Milton, Paradise Lost ii. 751Citation details for J. Milton, Paradise Lost
a1832
In the very import of the word conspiracy is therefore included the conspiracy to do a bad thing.
J. Bentham, Justice & Codif. Petit. in Works (1843) vol. V. 485Citation details for J. Bentham, Justice & Codif. Petit.
1841
Society everywhere is in conspiracy against the manhood of every one of its members.
R. W. Emerson, Self-reliance in Essays 1st Series (London edition) 50Citation details for R. W. Emerson, Self-reliance

https://www.oed.com/dictionary/conspiracy_n?tl=true

Don't confuse conspiracy theory with scandal, which Watergate was. Whilst some might consider it a bad thing if a politician profits financially from his or her own policies, if it is commonplace, as it is in recent UK history, then it is more to do with principles , ethics, governance and transparency. If Sunak gets away with, say, profitting by investing in Tata JLR - and we cannot check because he has put all of his business interests - including his own Cayman Islands listed company - on to a blind register, with the ostensible claim this is done as a virtue as he has given up any direct oversight or stewardship of his own investments, plus he sold his shares in Infosys back to his wife. So that's OK then!!! (We are told.) Based on the recent history of Sunak and contemporaneous UK government ministers, and the financial scandals surrounding them, together with a good acquaintance with economic affairs and how the British press works, I don't believe my views are a 'conspiracy theory' because it is in plain sight that the identity of the vehicle is being withheld from the public and the only explanation would be Sunak via the government protecting his/its interests, given that in past car fires, the vehicle was identified by the press and not concealed. The more is emphasised it is not an EV of any sort involved, the more it raises suspicions, given people can see what is in the airport CCTV for themselves.

You do understand that conspiracy and conspiracy theory are very different right? Your hamfisted foisting of the definition of conspiracy in no way answer the fact you are indulging in a conspiracy theory.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

You are free to write whatever you like. I am free to point out the fallacious nature of the argument presented and whether it meets the criteria of logical debate.

You don't know what a fallacy is and you're not able to actually discuss any topics with the level of knowledge required.