Lothian
should be banned
9. Don't know if that is better or worse than your score.
General UK Politics VI It's A (Honey) Trap!
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9. Don't know if that is better or worse than your score.
A rather ridiculous bill, imo. in 50 years time a 65-year-old won't be able to buy tobacco products, but someone of 66 will (after providing i.d.)
Mojo
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I've just watched a party political broadcast. I hope the population of London aren't as thick as the Tories think they are.
And anyway - it's barn and horse deal - "the kids" have moved onto vaping.
It is however already illegal to sell vaping products to children under the age of 18, and as I understand it, this bill will tighten up regulations around vaping products.
It may be a barn and horse deal, but at least it's a step in the right direction.
It was however interesting to note the number of libertarian tories oppose the bill in the name of freedom; I've yet to see any of them advance a bill legalising class a drugs.
Edit: Re: That last one, the leader of a Danish libertarian party seriously proposed legalising cocaine to "people who have their life in order."
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Did she hide it or was she simply unaware, or think it was irrelevant? Wasn't it one great-grandparent from Ireland? I had two, and while I might half-jokingly claim some connection when Ireland are doing better than England in the 6 Nations, and wish that my mother would have claimed citizenship when she had the opportunity (so I could have done the same, post-Brexit) I have no real connection with anyone actually Irish, and no knowledge of any living relatives in Ireland (though they surely exist).
P.J. Denyer
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10, I feel better than one of you, worse than the other, but I too am unsure which is which.
Wudang
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6. It was the best of scores, it was the worst of scores.
P.J. Denyer
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The point isn't that a 65 year old won't be able to buy them then, it's that (long before that) an 18 year old definitely won't, at least not without there being very clear & unambiguous law breaking.
Wudang
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Someone sent me a copy of Liz Truss' book. This is from the chapter describing trade deals she struck.
If you're going to ask for i.d. from a 65-year-old then why not someone of 18? They both look similar to people of around the same age. Set a lower age limit and enforce it.
Gulliver Foyle
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I'm not following the situation closely enough to know what the bill contains, but I can guarantee that Bad Enough's reasons for opposing are both bad and stupid.
Gulliver Foyle
Philosopher
It was so publicly known that she has Irish relatives there was no trouble tracking them down for their reactions when she was appointed PM. Gales of laughter was the answer.
Mojo
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At the moment a 65-year-old won't be able to draw a state pension, but someone of 66 will.
Lothian
should be banned
According to the Today programme on BBC R4 inflation is down in part due to the reduction in the price of crumpet. Who knew paying for it has become so common it is now in the ONS basket?
Andy_Ross
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Like driving. there's always been a start date and it's easy to apply and enforce.
I'd tobacco was supplied by one official organisation based on licenses issued by date of birth it would be easy to enforce.
Enforcing the current legal age for smoking is already difficult, this will be a nightmare
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If you're going to ask for i.d. from a 65-year-old then why not someone of 18? They both look similar to people of around the same age. Set a lower age limit and enforce it.
It's a way of allowing those already addicted to and by a legal substance to retain the right to their addiction whilst making it illegal for those not already legally addicted to become addicted. I think it is a good way to transition a very addictive substance from being legal to being illegal if that is your goal.
The issue I would say isn't the new law but whether you believe people should have the freedom to legally start using known dangerous and addictive substances or not.
I'm of the opinion that people should be able to use whatever substances they want, as long as they don't harm others when doing so, but also of the opinion that businesses shouldn't be able to promote known and dangerous substances to make a profit. We should only allow people to obtain such substances via a prescription and they should have to be dispensed. Want to take heroin? Fine, go to your registered GP, they'll prescribe a regulated version i.e. a known strength dose and consistency, you go to the chemist and get it from them paying only a dispensing fee and the low cost of the drug. This is so 1) we have a record of what people are using, which may be used for such purposes as whether you can have a gun licence and counter indications for medically required drugs and 2) removes the profit motive from getting people addicted and then supplying their addiction.
I pay for crumpet most weeks and I have noticed the price has dropped. Still not as cheap as pre energy hikes.
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