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General UK Politics VI It's A (Honey) Trap!

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Greater Manchester Police has launched an investigation into Labour's deputy leader Angela Rayner after she was accused of breaking electoral law.

The Conservative Party's deputy chair claims she may have given false information about her main residence.

A police spokesman said the force was looking at "whether any offences have been committed".

Ms Rayner denies any wrongdoing and Sir Keir Starmer said he was "fully confident" she complied with the rules.

The police investigation has been prompted by a complaint from Tory deputy chairman James Daly.

Mr Daly, the MP for Bury North, is understood to have made police aware of neighbours contradicting Ms Rayner's statement that a property, separate from her husband's, was her main residency.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68797258
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Michael Crick raised the point that John Major was registered at an address where he never even spent a single night (for the purposes of eligibility for a local government position).

https://twitter.com/MichaelLCrick/status/1778876618544382230
 
Graham Stuart has just resigned as minister for climate.

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It’s been an enormous joy and privilege to serve as a minister over most of the last 8 years.

I’m proud of all we have achieved as a government, not least being the first major economy to halve CO2 emissions.

I look forward to supporting the PM from the backbenches.
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Wasn't a cabinet minister implicated in 'Willygate'?
 
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Wragg resigns the whip, the others try to slip quietly from the stage. Meanwhile, our glorious investigative press spend their time chasing Angela Rayner.

This country is a joke.
 
Depressing how the media has been so willing to forget all about Wragg and the honeytrap to concentrate on the non-story where a Tory MP has badgered GMP into reopening an investigation they had already conducted. Of course its what we've come to expect from the likes of Laura Kuenssberg.
 
Andy_Ross said:
Wragg resigns the whip, the others try to slip quietly from the stage. Meanwhile, our glorious investigative press spend their time chasing Angela Rayner.

This country is a joke.
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Garrison said:
Depressing how the media has been so willing to forget all about Wragg and the honeytrap to concentrate on the non-story where a Tory MP has badgered GMP into reopening an investigation they had already conducted. Of course its what we've come to expect from the likes of Laura Kuenssberg.
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Agree with both.

I'm getting distinct beergate vibes, and presumably the aim to go into the May elections with the claim that a Labour frontbencher is under investigation and Starmer hasn't fired her (when there's no reason to believe Rayner actually did anything wrong, and if ther was, Starmer would sack her
 
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Graham Stuart has just resigned as minister for climate.

He posted


Wasn't a cabinet minister implicated in 'Willygate'?
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I wonder if he could be the unfortunate party said to have been caught naked without his clothes outside a brothel at 4:00 am? Puts looking at tractor porn in the Commons into a new light in terms of degree of depravity.

Or could it be something Tice says he has on Lee Anderson...? Maybe not as he's now a reform [ed] character.
 
The whole thing about ethics is that ethically, stealing a penny is of the same degree of unethical behaviour as stealing £138bn. Where does the slippery slope end if it is 'OK to just steal £1,500'...?

Yes, it is unfortunate Angela Rayner is having a 'Nicola Sturgeon' done on her, i.e., for seemingly political reasons, and of course like many people who 'forget' to declare what they should declare because nobody seem to care or even notice, one can sympathise with Rayner now having to cope with the stress of being reported to the police.

However, if Rayner has fiddled her primary residential details to evade charges then IMV she should rightly be sacked or made to resign, as public servants should be seen to uphold the highest standards of integrity. If most people are open and transparent about their obligatory duties to declare what they are legally supposed to declare, then I do not see why Rayner should be considered an exception.
 
Revealed: hundreds of vulnerable children sent to illegal and unregulated care homes in England

The headline says it all - a harrowing report on us letting down the most vulnerable in society.

From another article from the same reporting: https://www.theguardian.com/society...-how-vulnerable-children-end-up-in-care-homes

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She is at risk of child sexual exploitation. In the past, she has run away, taken hard drugs and been sexually assaulted. But the police warned that Jasmine (not her real name) is being “emotionally abused” by staff in the home, where she has been living for just over a month. Police officers, who visited Jasmine, witnessed a staff member shouting at her after she brushed past.

The staff member then asked the officers to leave so she could discipline her. Jasmine told the officers the staff changed a lot and were constantly shouting at her. She also told them she was on a hunger strike.

“Following the police report from yesterday, Kent does not consider this placement meets [Jasmine’s] emotional needs and does not consider it is in her best interest in the longer term to remain,” explains the barrister over a video link. But then she adds: “In the shorter term, there is no alternative to keep her physically safe.”

The council cannot find a place in an Ofsted-registered home. Despite the abuse she is suffering, despite the police officers’ concerns, despite the judge’s anger, there is no other option but to leave her where she is.

“She’s in a placement which the police say is inappropriate… if that happened in the presence of the police, one wonders what happens nobody is there?” asks Judge Jordan. It is, he concludes, a “classic [example] that has gone wrong”. He approves the order restricting her freedom for two more weeks.


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Vixen said:
The whole thing about ethics is that ethically, stealing a penny is of the same degree of unethical behaviour as stealing £138bn. Where does the slippery slope end if it is 'OK to just steal £1,500'...?

Yes, it is unfortunate Angela Rayner is having a 'Nicola Sturgeon' done on her, i.e., for seemingly political reasons, and of course like many people who 'forget' to declare what they should declare because nobody seem to care or even notice, one can sympathise with Rayner now having to cope with the stress of being reported to the police.

However, if Rayner has fiddled her primary residential details to evade charges then IMV she should rightly be sacked or made to resign, as public servants should be seen to uphold the highest standards of integrity. If most people are open and transparent about their obligatory duties to declare what they are legally supposed to declare, then I do not see why Rayner should be considered an exception.
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Whilst I’m in agreement somewhat with your argument she’s not a public servant
 
Darat said:
Whilst I’m in agreement somewhat with your argument she’s not a public servant
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Not technically, but morally, our representatives should consider themselves to be.
 
Orphia Nay said:
Is that true? Has the UK halved carbon emissions in that 8 years?
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Looking at the official figures, UK greenhouse gas emissions (not just carbon) have halved since 1990 - mostly as a result of UK deindustrialization rather than recently as a result of Tory governments' eco policies.
 
The Don said:
Looking at the official figures, UK greenhouse gas emissions (not just carbon) have halved since 1990 - mostly as a result of UK deindustrialization rather than recently as a result of Tory governments' eco policies.
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OK, thanks.
 
The Don said:
Looking at the official figures, UK greenhouse gas emissions (not just carbon) have halved since 1990 - mostly as a result of UK deindustrialization rather than recently as a result of Tory governments' eco policies.
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Weren't they trying to claim that Thatcher was a great environmental visionary at one point?
 
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Weren't they trying to claim that Thatcher was a great environmental visionary at one point?
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I understand that she was pretty keen on getting the ban on CFCs.
 
I was thinking more of the Garland "If you seek for a monument, gaze around" cartoon.
 
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