Your definition of 'lying' appears to be:
- anyone expressing an opinion different from yours.
- anyone who corrects any of your misconceptions.
- anyone who appears to know better than yourself.
- anyone who dares contradict you.
For someone who flings around the word 'lying' in as many breaths per minute of breathing, I am unclear what you mean when you demand to know if I am 'accusing the fire brigade of lying'.
<Fx American accent> You lie!!!
Sweet Jeebus, more conspiratorial drivel. A fire in a diesel car, a fairly common event, must be part of a cover-up of, well, what?
As I understand it, electric cars will, in the long run, cost manufacturing jobs. If the government is interested in jobs, perhaps they should fear of electric vehicles.See here:
National World
A cynic might say the government doesn't want anything to interfere with this market.
That the car in question was actually an EV or hybrid. But the government, police and fire services are all in the pocket of Big Battery, so they covered up the true nature of the car. Simples.
Your definition of 'lying' appears to be:
- anyone expressing an opinion different from yours.
- anyone who corrects any of your misconceptions.
- anyone who appears to know better than yourself.
- anyone who dares contradict you.
For someone who flings around the word 'lying' in as many breaths per minute of breathing, I am unclear what you mean when you demand to know if I am 'accusing the fire brigade of lying'.
If we accept that definition, then it is remotely possible that Vixen is not lying. She might be fully aware that her continuing and deliberate apparent attempts to deceive are not actually deceiving anyone. If so, then her apparently deliberate attempts to deceive could be interpreted as deliberate attempts to create the appearance of attempting to deceive, which might not be exactly the same thing as deliberate attempts to deceive.Lying means a deliberate attempt to deceive.
Having contributed that sophistric defense of Vixen's apparent lies, I confess I either (1) have no idea concerning why Vixen might deliberately attempt to convince us she is lying or (2) prefer not to speculate further.
Are you a cynic?
Is it your belief that the government has somehow coerced the police and fire service to say the fire started in a diesel Range Rover rather than an EV or hybrid?
Your understanding of my usage of the word 'lying' appears to be on a par with your understanding of my first post in this thread.
I've accused you of lying in this thread when you have made statements which are clearly untrue, and you have access to the correct information yet persist in peddling a falsehood.
That the car in question was actually an EV or hybrid. But the government, police and fire services are all in the pocket of Big Battery, so they covered up the true nature of the car. Simples.
It's corroborating information, which accords with the statements, definitive now, from the police and fire service. They are not, now, saying 'at this stage'. Are you accusing the police and fire service of lying?
Some seem to believe that police are playing down the EV angle because they do not want to ruin the EV-car market.
For example:
“I can remember car parks exploding and bursting into flames long before electric vehicles were invented…NOT #LutonAirport” https://x.com/Iromg/status/1712093115148882169?s=20
The thing is, people bring conspiracy theories to this forum all the time, for the purpose of pointing and laughing at them.I believe the closest Vixen has come to answering this question was in the OP
Regardless of whether Vixen is saying the police are lying, "some" people are. At first, I - and others - thought the way that the OP was worded Vixen was not endorsing that belief. I think it is now clear that she is.
What I'm missing is why the police would be trying to down play the "EV angle". Is the police pension fund heavily invested in Tesla? Is there a Lithium mine on the outskirts of Luton? Is Luton being considered for the next big Li battery factory? Are the police in Luton just climate activist Greta Thunberg fans?
I can't speak for GB, but in the US of A the vast majority of local police departments would not be beholden to the interests of the federal government on the climate issue.
Some people believe that earth is flat. Discuss.
Some people believe that NASA faked the moon landing. Discuss.
Some people believe that 9/11 was an inside job. Discuss.
Some people believe that Bill Gates put nanobots in what is supposed to be the Covid vaccine. Discuss.
Some people believe that Vixen is a troll, others believe she's just not very bright. Discuss.
Be careful disparaging Big Battery, I hear they hold a lot of power.
I'll get my coat.![]()
You don't want to end up in a cell on a trumped up charge
A social milieu wherein people lie to each other about academic and social issues is alien to me. How bizarre. I don't consider police of fire chiefs to be liars. How odd to have the type of social circle or background where it would be considered normal to believe the police or other upright citizens are liars.
The thing is, people bring conspiracy theories to this forum all the time, for the purpose of pointing and laughing at them.
Totally objective. There can be all sorts of reasons information isn't given out immediately without there needing to be 'coercion'.
This thread was started in Social Issues and Current Events, however.
Are you scurrilously accusing me of 'doing a Prince Philip'?
One wouldn't be surprised that the brand of the vehicle involved in the Luton fire might have a lot to do with tiptoeing around discreet sensitive business relationships, as it were.
Ha ha. If it was a fuel leak or a coolant overheating issue why not just say? So a battery issue might be embarrassing for the manufacturers of an 'exploded' Land Rover who have now diversified into producing - ahem! - lithium batteries for cars.