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The Ramaswamy Stratagem

Hercules56 said:
Social-economic status is one thing, blaming their membership in a religious group is another. Or is not open season on Jews and Muslims? They are also often accused of superiority thinking.
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I can bet you his sense of privilege and caste superiority also contributes to his dickishness.
 
Susheel said:
Hinduism is not some homogenous entity. While as individuals nice people exist, Hinduism also carries with it the baggage of casteist hierarchy. I have, at various times, on this forum, provided evidence of ingrained casteism, particularly among the Brahminic and privileged castes in the country. And if you had been paying attention in the past year or so, even many IT firms in the US have had to acknowledge the creeping casteism among its Indian employees and call it out.

Big Tech’s big problem is also its ‘best-kept secret’: Caste discrimination
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"Don't talk about caste discrimination because you might upset the discriminators".

"Don't talk about religious bigotry because you might upset the religious bigots".
 
Susheel said:
Hinduism is not some homogenous entity. While as individuals nice people exist, Hinduism also carries with it the baggage of casteist hierarchy. I have, at various times, on this forum, provided evidence of ingrained casteism, particularly among the Brahminic and privileged castes in the country. And if you had been paying attention in the past year or so, even many IT firms in the US have had to acknowledge the creeping casteism among its Indian employees and call it out.

Big Tech’s big problem is also its ‘best-kept secret’: Caste discrimination
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I think its a mistake for us to go down this road, but more power to you.
 
Darat said:
As usual no idea how your comment relates to what I posted.
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I can explain that. It's a variant of a straw man argument, although not necessarily an intentional one. Here's how it works: imagine you are steeped in conservative propaganda. From your perspective, most of the rest of the world falls under "Liberals," all of whom share some straw belief, call it X. Now, you're here on the intertubes when someone says something that doesn't jibe with a belief in X. You point it out that they're being hypocritical, chessmix lerbuls, etc, right? Except you didn't tell them what X is, because you can't. But you shouldn't have to! They all believe X. Everyone knows that. Saying so would only invite challenges to that assumption, because not even you know what X is. Even your own agitprop won't tell you, everything is implied as part of the othering.

Given that context, we can work backwards to determine what the straw liberal is really saying.

You said:
It's as much a cultural thing as a religious thing, the two are very much intertwined.
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and the reply was:
Could we the same thing about a Catholic or Jewish politicians on the Dem side, or does this game only play for GOPers?
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Since Freedom of Religion in conservative media means "you get to pick your flavor of Christianity," the straw liberals' position is that other religions should be allowed to exist without any persecution at all. Nuance and criticism directly undermine those. Since you, a liberal, are raising it, you must be undermining the liberal position for some reason, i.e. an attack because he's a conservative politician. So he's asking you if you would also be attacking someone from a different religion on your own side (yes I know you're across the pond, but keep in mind that there are only, ever, two sides). Obviously you wouldn't, haha chuckmeat labels. Get it?
 
Hercules56 said:
I think its a mistake for us to go down this road, but more power to you.
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Why is it a mistake? Pharma Bro Boy can believe whatever he wants. The moment he acts on those beliefs he makes other people suffer the consequences of his irrationality. That makes him a dick.
 
Idiot is now basically urging invading Mexico to get the drug cartels. Worked so great last time we tried that with Pancho Villa.
 
dudalb said:
Idiot is now basically urging invading Mexico to get the drug cartels. Worked so great last time we tried that with Pancho Villa.
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In the first debate that's also what De Santis said he'd do "On Day 1".

VR is trying to be an all-rounder.
 
dudalb said:
Yes, but they were not seeking the GOP presendiantil nod.I am not saing an Indian American cannot be a sucessful politican, I am saying the chances of his getting the GOP nod are very,very,low.
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Well, Bobby Jindal did seek the GOP nomination for president. Didn't get far, of course.

Then of course, there are not one but TWO candidates with an Indian background seeking the GOP nomination this time.
 
angrysoba said:
Then of course, there are not one but TWO candidates with an Indian background seeking the GOP nomination this time.
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True.

"Nimarata Nikki Haley (née Randhawa; born January 20, 1972) is an American politician and diplomat who served as the 116th governor of South Carolina from 2011 to 2017, and as the 29th United States ambassador to the United Nations for two years, from January 2017 through December 2018. A member of the Republican Party, she is the first Indian American to serve in a presidential cabinet."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikki_Haley

She seemed far less batcrap than Ramaswamy in the first debate.
 
Orphia Nay said:
True.

"Nimarata Nikki Haley (née Randhawa; born January 20, 1972) is an American politician and diplomat who served as the 116th governor of South Carolina from 2011 to 2017, and as the 29th United States ambassador to the United Nations for two years, from January 2017 through December 2018. A member of the Republican Party, she is the first Indian American to serve in a presidential cabinet."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikki_Haley

She seemed far less batcrap than Ramaswamy in the first debate.
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Not a high bar. Actual bat crap, AKA guano, is less crazy than Ramaswamy.
 
Orphia Nay said:
True.

"Nimarata Nikki Haley (née Randhawa; born January 20, 1972) is an American politician and diplomat who served as the 116th governor of South Carolina from 2011 to 2017, and as the 29th United States ambassador to the United Nations for two years, from January 2017 through December 2018. A member of the Republican Party, she is the first Indian American to serve in a presidential cabinet."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikki_Haley

She seemed far less batcrap than Ramaswamy in the first debate.
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Ha ha! That’s a low bar! :D

Not the craziest clown in the clown car is quite an accolade.

Not sure if her being a convert to Christianity would make her more palatable to the GOP. I would assume so though.

Of course, Tulsi Gabbard is also Hindu, though it is a breakaway sect sometimes referred to as cult with a particularly homophobic streak and apparently ties to Modi’s extremist views.

This is an area where I think it is perfectly okay for people’s religion to be questioned given that many politicians cite their own religious beliefs as reasons for their politics. The most obvious examples are of course Mike Pence and other members of the religious right. It might be more difficult for Hindus to foreground their religion unless they are going to claim it makes them allies with the religious right on LGBT rights.
 
angrysoba said:
Ha ha! That’s a low bar! :D

Not the craziest clown in the clown car is quite an accolade.

Not sure if her being a convert to Christianity would make her more palatable to the GOP. I would assume so though.

Of course, Tulsi Gabbard is also Hindu, though it is a breakaway sect sometimes referred to as cult with a particularly homophobic streak and apparently ties to Modi’s extremist views.

This is an area where I think it is perfectly okay for people’s religion to be questioned given that many politicians cite their own religious beliefs as reasons for their politics. The most obvious examples are of course Mike Pence and other members of the religious right. It might be more difficult for Hindus to foreground their religion unless they are going to claim it makes them allies with the religious right on LGBT rights.
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Nikki Haley was raised in a Sikh family. Very different from Hindu traditions.
 
Trebuchet said:
I was wondering what, if any, religion Ramaswamy practices so I went, of course, to Wikipedia, which says

I'm not sure exactly what a "monotheisitic Hindu" is, but have to wonder how that'll play the fundy Christian base.
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Considering their whole-hearted acceptance of Trump, it's difficult to imagine anything they would find objectionable if it was convenient for them to overlook.
 
Armitage72 said:
A number of years ago one of the R&D chemists at the company I used to work for was from India. I mentioned to him that a company I had previously worked for was owned by a man from India, the company had dealings with organized crime in New York City, and was eventually shut down for fraudulent practices on construction projects in the city. His reaction was something like "That doesn't surprise me. Making deals with criminals is usually an accepted part of owning a business in India."
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So. Not unlike New York City?
 
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