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The Ramaswamy Stratagem

Craig4 said:
To the extent that his being a ragging prick with ears is related to his religion, it is because he acts on those ****** up beliefs. I don't care that he has ****** up beliefs.
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I know many good and decent Hindus, it is not fair or right to blame the religion for him being a jerk and a dick.
 
Hercules56 said:
I know many good and decent Hindus, it is not fair or right to blame the religion for him being a jerk and a dick.
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Hindu beliefs are ****** up but not any more ****** up than any other religion. Acting on those beliefs makes him a dick (assuming those belief play a role in him being a dick).
 
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Susheel said:
His attitude also reflects his privileged brahminic sense of superiority and disdain for the "other". A lot of those types in the US, UK and other western countries.
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I had a friend, now deceased, who also belonged to the brahmin caste. A nicer guy you couldn't meet, was raised in the US from age 3. He married a woman who was from a lower caste, but still considered one of the higher castes, than his family and his family never really accepted her, feeling she was below Ajay despite being a highly educated and successful woman. He said his parents would make snide comments about her that had to do with her lower caste status that pained him deeply.

I think it's naive not to think that a lot of people have a sense of entitlement and superiority that stems from their economic/social/cultural background. I remember when Leona Helmsley, the hotel billionaire, was reported for infamously declaring "We don't pay taxes; only the little people pay taxes".
 
Stacyhs said:
I had a friend, now deceased, who also belonged to the brahmin caste. A nicer guy you couldn't meet, was raised in the US from age 3. He married a woman who was from a lower caste, but still considered one of the higher castes, than his family and his family never really accepted her, feeling she was below Ajay despite being a highly educated and successful woman. He said his parents would make snide comments about her that had to do with her lower caste status that pained him deeply.

I think it's naive not to think that a lot of people have a sense of entitlement and superiority that stems from their economic/social/cultural background. I remember when Leona Helmsley, the hotel billionaire, was reported for infamously declaring "We don't pay taxes; only the little people pay taxes".
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Social-economic status is one thing, blaming their membership in a religious group is another. Or is not open season on Jews and Muslims? They are also often accused of superiority thinking.
 
Craig4 said:
Hindu beliefs are ****** up but not any more ****** up than any other religion. Acting on those beliefs makes him a dick (assuming those belief play a role in him being a dick).
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What about Jewish beliefs? Does acting on Jewish beliefs make one a dick?
 
Darat said:
It's as much a cultural thing as a religious thing, the two are very much intertwined.
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A number of years ago one of the R&D chemists at the company I used to work for was from India. I mentioned to him that a company I had previously worked for was owned by a man from India, the company had dealings with organized crime in New York City, and was eventually shut down for fraudulent practices on construction projects in the city. His reaction was something like "That doesn't surprise me. Making deals with criminals is usually an accepted part of owning a business in India."
 
He's a suckass trying to be Trump's VP. That's why he's fine with Hitler taking the Sudetenland, and downstream further tank rolling. Or ship sailing, depending on the Hemisphere.
 
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Hercules56 said:
Social-economic status is one thing, blaming their membership in a religious group is another. Or is not open season on Jews and Muslims? They are also often accused of superiority thinking.
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Just because VR is a Hindu of the Brahmin caste does not automatically mean that's why he's a jerk, but it may contribute to a feeling of entitlement and superiority. It's a fact of life that religion can, and does, often influence how people behave and their attitude toward others. For example, in India, the Hindu caste system was legally banned over 70 years ago, but culturally, it still exists.

In this interview with a low caste Indian working in Silicon Valley, he describes how his Indian co-workers will try to discover what caste he belongs to. Cisco is being sued by one Indian employee for caste discrimination by his higher-caste superiors and co-workers and over 300 complaints have been filed for caste discrimination among Indian employees against companies including Facebook, Google, Microsoft, IBM, Cisco, Amazon, Dell, Twitter, and Uber.

India’s caste system was officially abolished in 1950, but the 2,000-year-old social hierarchy imposed on people by birth still exists in many aspects of life. The caste system categorizes Hindus at birth, defining their place in society, what jobs they can do and who they can marry.
Those at the bottom of the hierarchy, who fall outside the four main categories of Brahmins (priests and teachers), Kshatriyas (warriors and rulers), Vaishyas (traders and merchants) and the Shudras (laborers), are considered “untouchables” or Dalits.
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Among Jews, even though there was no Jewish law prohibiting it, marriage between Ashkenazi Jews and Sephardic Jews was looked down upon and even considered illegal by some Jewish communities in the past. For example, one Sephardic father petitioned the German king to have his son's marriage to an Ashkenazi woman dissolved because “marriage between Portuguese Jews and High German Jews are as extraordinary and objectionable as those between Christians and Jews.”
 
Stacyhs said:
I think it's naive not to think that a lot of people have a sense of entitlement and superiority that stems from their economic/social/cultural background. I remember when Leona Helmsley, the hotel billionaire, was reported for infamously declaring "We don't pay taxes; only the little people pay taxes".
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e.g., Donald Trump.
 
Yeah, his "There is one God" pitch is going to fall pretty flat with the fundamental Christians when they find out he's not talking about Jehovah.

New York Times said:
Vivek Ramaswamy Leans Into His Hindu Faith to Court Christian Voters
The Republican candidate for president makes a pitch that the faiths have much in common, but for many religious conservatives, the difference is a hurdle.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/09/us/vivek-ramaswamy-hindu-republican-christianj.html
 
Stacyhs said:
I agree. He knows he has no chance of getting the nomination. This is his stage for getting the national attention he needs.
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He never had any chance. His skin color and religion guaranteed he would never get close to nomination.
 
Susheel said:
His attitude also reflects his privileged brahminic sense of superiority and disdain for the "other". A lot of those types in the US, UK and other western countries.
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Irony that the incredibly snobbish members of the Boston Aristocracy in the 19th Century had the nickname "Boston Brahmins".
 
Craig4 said:
Yes but that's true to Catholicism, Protestantism, Islam, Shintoism...
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Depends on which beliefs.
I am a total skeptic when it comes to religion..don;t buy any of it...but I don't hate it the way some people here do.
 
Hercules56 said:
I know many good and decent Hindus, it is not fair or right to blame the religion for him being a jerk and a dick.
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This seems to be something you have invented yourself. The actual criticism levied at him was regarding was about his cultural status. Yes this cast is ostensibly created by the religion but it was a criticism of the beliefs of that particular cast and the cast system itself.

Hercules56 said:
Susheel said:
His attitude also reflects his privileged brahminic sense of superiority and disdain for the "other". A lot of those types in the US, UK and other western countries.
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So his religion is to blame for his politics?
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Also note: you may want to look at Susheel's location before trying to debate them on India's culture...
 
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Hercules56 said:
I know many good and decent Hindus, it is not fair or right to blame the religion for him being a jerk and a dick.
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Hinduism is not some homogenous entity. While as individuals nice people exist, Hinduism also carries with it the baggage of casteist hierarchy. I have, at various times, on this forum, provided evidence of ingrained casteism, particularly among the Brahminic and privileged castes in the country. And if you had been paying attention in the past year or so, even many IT firms in the US have had to acknowledge the creeping casteism among its Indian employees and call it out.

Big Tech’s big problem is also its ‘best-kept secret’: Caste discrimination
 
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