Cont: Cancel culture IRL Part 2

[catsmate]

But he left out the best part, canceling somebody is actually fun.

You're projecting again.

 

[catsmate]

To return to the purpose of this thread, I’d like to point out another real life cancellation: the M&M Spokescandies have been canceled for no longer giving Tucker a boner.

Yeah, even by the standards of right-wing USAian whackjobbery that was weird.

 

[johnny karate]

Shouldn't private universities be expected to live up to their stated principles?

And when they don’t, then what?

 

[catsmate]

A while ago I watched a documentary about this old timey Italian guy who used a telescope to prove the Earth actually revolved around the sun. This upset some sort of inquisition who found that idea contrary to and offensive against their belief system that the Earth was the center of all things to they heavily censored him.

Your abject lack of understanding of the events around the trial of Galileo Galilei matches that of pretty much everything else you've posted about here.

 

[johnny karate]

The faculty already gave us their reasons for asking Miller to step down.

I’m not seeing anything that precludes the possibility that there were other contributing factors.

Either way, I’m still unclear why you think you’re in a better position to judge the fairness of this than the faculty of the university. Could you please explain that?

 

[johnny karate]

A while ago I watched a documentary about this old timey Italian guy who used a telescope to prove the Earth actually revolved around the sun. This upset some sort of inquisition who found that idea contrary to and offensive against their belief system that the Earth was the center of all things to they heavily censored him.

If we take one of the names of the list posted in post 2747, John Stoddard, we can see the same sort of anti science parallel at play here. A minor cancellation for sure, like getting banned from Reddit for wrongthink but a case of wanting something that's true to not be true.

IIRC, the church didn't admit that they were the ones doing the anti-science wrongthink until several hundred years later.

Yes, the similarities between being forced to recant your beliefs under threat of torture and imprisonment and being removed from an email list are striking and chilling. Another flawless analogy from the “cancel culture” hand-wringers. No notes.

 

[Stout]

Yes, the similarities between being forced to recant your beliefs under threat of torture and imprisonment and being removed from an email list are striking and chilling. Another flawless analogy from the “cancel culture” hand-wringers. No notes.

That was a post on ideology and superstition vs reality and truth which I understand is a very difficult concept for cancel culture idealists. Fear not, we're on the path to a new enlightenment and shorty we'll enter a new age of reason.

 

[smartcooky]

Oh for goodness sake, if you don’t care one way or another, how on earth can you even have an opinion? You must live in Humpty Dumpty land.

You have just confirmed what I thought.... you do not understand that its possible for both to be true. You see the world in black and white.

Who's living in Humpty Dumpty land now?

I can have the opinion that chips are better than crisps and still not care which I get with my sandwich.

Exactly! I can have opinions that...

- the Bengals will get to the Superbowl
- mustard is better than tomato ketchup on a hotdog
- the 2013 Nissan X-Trail is better than the 2014 model
- Labor will win the next Australian election
- you won't understand any what I am saying here

...but not care one way or the other about any of the above.

 

[d4m10n]

Either way, I’m still unclear why you think you’re in a better position to judge the fairness of this than the faculty of the university.

I'm not about to cede my sense of fairness to them, especially given the self evident weakness of their stated argument. If they had argued in favor of restitution or reparation for Erika López Prater, that would have been constructive and furthered the stated goals of the university. Instead, in keeping with the spirit of the age, they called for yet another unnecessary cancellation.

 

[wareyin]

OP had nothing to do with right wingers, you are just reading that in.

Dude, did you think we were discussing the OP, there? The thread has moved on. The latest crises that are being discussed are the M&M spokescandies and your weird belief that despite your own acknowledged complete ignorance of the details at hand you believe you're in a better position to judge the inner workings of a private university than those who work there.

I understand the urge to make everything a battle of good vs. evil, but this discussion doesn't need to be polarized in that way.

This discussion has always been polarized that way. From the literal get go, "cancel culture" as an idea is a right wing manufactroversy.

 

[Shepherd]

Here is a situation that might qualify as an attempt to cancel Jordan Peterson.

Somewhere between a dozen and twenty people unhappy with things that Peterson has said on Joe Rogan's podcast and on Twitter and whatnot have filed formal complaints against him with the College of Psychologists of Ontario - which is the licensing and governing body for practicing clinical psychologists there.

Based upon these complaints the organization has made it mandatory that Jordan Peterson now take and pay for himself remedial classes in how to behave professionally on social media and that he also make a public statement saying that he has (already) behaved unprofessionally. They've said the if he does not comply he risks a formal investigation with a chance of him losing his license to practice.

Peterson said that none of the complainants were patients of his nor had any sort of relationship with him or with anyone he knows but that about half of them had actually lied and said they were clients of his.

He has sought legal council and it looks like he is going to refuse to comply and will also be taking them to court.

So, a supposedly professional organization seems to be attempting to police Jordan Peterson's public speech - most of which seems to be quite political in nature.

Peterson has talked about the situation on another recent Joe Rogan podcast and on his own Youtube channel and, of course, there are also some news article you can find about it.

Hopefully I've summarized things fairly well. I suspect that this will become a much bigger news story later on. It will be interesting to see whether the group backs down under pressure or if things will get ugly.

 

[wareyin]

In a stunning reversal, the M&M spokescandy cancellation has been lifted!

Turns out that even Mars, Inc has realized that this whole right wing outrage over "cancel culture" is so ridiculous that they're just trolling those who fall for the manufactroversy now.

 

[johnny karate]

That was a post on ideology and superstition vs reality and truth which I understand is a very difficult concept for cancel culture idealists. Fear not, we're on the path to a new enlightenment and shorty we'll enter a new age of reason.

Fabulous. I look forward to any non-ridiculous examples you can provide so that your point of view can be taken seriously for a change.

 

[johnny karate]

I'm not about to cede my sense of fairness to them, especially given the self evident weakness of their stated argument. If they had argued in favor of restitution or reparation for Erika López Prater, that would have been constructive and furthered the stated goals of the university. Instead, in keeping with the spirit of the age, they called for yet another unnecessary cancellation.

Why should anyone care what your "sense of fairness" is since it doesn't seem to be based on anything other than whim and personal preference? Anyone can claim something is unfair. Children do it all the time. It's ultimately meaningless unless it's rooted in a logical framework that is coherent and consistent.

Is that something that you will be providing anytime soon?

 

[johnny karate]

Here is a situation that might qualify as an attempt to cancel Jordan Peterson.

Somewhere between a dozen and twenty people unhappy with things that Peterson has said on Joe Rogan's podcast and on Twitter and whatnot have filed formal complaints against him with the College of Psychologists of Ontario - which is the licensing and governing body for practicing clinical psychologists there.

Based upon these complaints the organization has made it mandatory that Jordan Peterson now take and pay for himself remedial classes in how to behave professionally on social media and that he also make a public statement saying that he has (already) behaved unprofessionally. They've said the if he does not comply he risks a formal investigation with a chance of him losing his license to practice.

Peterson said that none of the complainants were patients of his nor had any sort of relationship with him or with anyone he knows but that about half of them had actually lied and said they were clients of his.

He has sought legal council and it looks like he is going to refuse to comply and will also be taking them to court.

So, a supposedly professional organization seems to be attempting to police Jordan Peterson's public speech - most of which seems to be quite political in nature.

Peterson has talked about the situation on another recent Joe Rogan podcast and on his own Youtube channel and, of course, there are also some news article you can find about it.

Hopefully I've summarized things fairly well. I suspect that this will become a much bigger news story later on. It will be interesting to see whether the group backs down under pressure or if things will get ugly.

Shorter version: A handful of people exercised their right to free speech to file complaints about Jordan Peterson. The professional organization with which Peterson is affiliated may have overreacted in response to those complaints. This situation is currently being adjudicated through a process used for the express purpose of handling these types of disagreements.

What's the concerning part here?

 

[smartcooky]

Here is a situation that might qualify as an attempt to cancel Jordan Peterson.

Somewhere between a dozen and twenty people unhappy with things that Peterson has said on Joe Rogan's podcast and on Twitter and whatnot have filed formal complaints against him with the College of Psychologists of Ontario - which is the licensing and governing body for practicing clinical psychologists there.

Based upon these complaints the organization has made it mandatory that Jordan Peterson now take and pay for himself remedial classes in how to behave professionally on social media and that he also make a public statement saying that he has (already) behaved unprofessionally. They've said the if he does not comply he risks a formal investigation with a chance of him losing his license to practice.

Peterson said that none of the complainants were patients of his nor had any sort of relationship with him or with anyone he knows but that about half of them had actually lied and said they were clients of his.

He has sought legal council and it looks like he is going to refuse to comply and will also be taking them to court.

So, a supposedly professional organization seems to be attempting to police Jordan Peterson's public speech - most of which seems to be quite political in nature.

Peterson has talked about the situation on another recent Joe Rogan podcast and on his own Youtube channel and, of course, there are also some news article you can find about it.

Hopefully I've summarized things fairly well. I suspect that this will become a much bigger news story later on. It will be interesting to see whether the group backs down under pressure or if things will get ugly.

Jordan Peterson is a misogynist, homophobic, racist douchebag.

Any consequences that come his way are just fine with me.

 

[Gulliver Foyle]

Here is a situation that might qualify as an attempt to cancel Jordan Peterson.

Somewhere between a dozen and twenty people unhappy with things that Peterson has said on Joe Rogan's podcast and on Twitter and whatnot have filed formal complaints against him with the College of Psychologists of Ontario - which is the licensing and governing body for practicing clinical psychologists there.

Based upon these complaints the organization has made it mandatory that Jordan Peterson now take and pay for himself remedial classes in how to behave professionally on social media and that he also make a public statement saying that he has (already) behaved unprofessionally. They've said the if he does not comply he risks a formal investigation with a chance of him losing his license to practice.

Peterson said that none of the complainants were patients of his nor had any sort of relationship with him or with anyone he knows but that about half of them had actually lied and said they were clients of his.

He has sought legal council and it looks like he is going to refuse to comply and will also be taking them to court.

So, a supposedly professional organization seems to be attempting to police Jordan Peterson's public speech - most of which seems to be quite political in nature.

Peterson has talked about the situation on another recent Joe Rogan podcast and on his own Youtube channel and, of course, there are also some news article you can find about it.

Hopefully I've summarized things fairly well. I suspect that this will become a much bigger news story later on. It will be interesting to see whether the group backs down under pressure or if things will get ugly.

Absolutely nothing wrong with what College of Psychologists of Ontario is doing. Peterson is making a total idiot of himself on social media by spouting bovine excrement that (given his professional background) should very well know is such, and by extension is bringing his whole profession into disrepute.

What they College of Psychologists of Ontario is the same as what the BMO would do if a prominent doctor licenced by them went off on a racist rant on prime time BBC.

PS as a regulatory body, the College of Psychologists of Ontario are perfectly entitled to demand of their affiliated practitioners to (either collectively or individually) engage in certain courses to retain their standing and certification to practice.

 

[lobosrul5]

Jordan Peterson is a misogynist, homophobic, racist douchebag.

Any consequences that come his way are just fine with me.

As always, its OK when horrible pieces of **** are "canceled". I think nearly everyone agrees with that. The quibble is who we each consider to be horrible pieces of ****. I believe everyone here would find some action or opinion to be bad to justify a person being "canceled", though some might lie about it.

 

[johnny karate]

As always, its OK when horrible pieces of **** are "canceled". I think nearly everyone agrees with that. The quibble is who we each consider to be horrible pieces of ****. I believe everyone here would find some action or opinion to be bad to justify a person being "canceled", though some might lie about it.

I'm not sure that it's been determined Peterson has been "cancelled".

With the limited information provided, it seems that "facing potential consequences for behavior that possibly violates the code of conduct of a professional organization to which he belongs" is a more apt descriptor.

 

[d4m10n]

Why should anyone care what your "sense of fairness" is since it doesn't seem to be based on anything other than whim and personal preference?

At least other posters actually had a go at the values of academic freedom instead of pretending not to notice them as you do here.