Transwomen are not women - X (XY?)

[lionking]

Outside of helping people deal with it as a disorder, I don't care.

My stance is women have ZERO obligation to let people with penises, formerly known as men, to take over their spaces and/or organizations. Civil rights such as employment, educational opportunity, etc. should always be protected for anyone regardless of gender. Being afforded privileges (such as women's sports) is not a right.

Sadly, you meet LJ’s definition of bigot.

 

[Elaedith]

Sadly, you meet LJ’s definition of bigot.

I don't think anyone needs to be sad at meeting LJ's definition of a bigot. Of course, one could be sad for LJ, which is probably what you meant.

 

[Matthew Best]

Oh God I forgot all about "Danielle Muscato she/her" - he had literally fallen off my radar.

Bear in mind this is a middle-aged man speaking. https://twitter.com/DanielleMuscato/status/1619071910557655040

Well, I had never heard of that person, but I scrolled down several pages on their Twitter feed and never got beyond yesterday, so I think I can say, from what I did read, that it's a person who is "an out-and-out nutjob who has resumed obsessively tweeting pro-trans (and anti-parent) screeds, and who has lost their family, their home, their health and their career in the process." And grifting, of course.

But at least they haven't taken free rental space in LondonJohn's head.

 

[Rolfe]

There once was a picture of him before transition and he looked like a normal, well-groomed, well-dressed man, if a bit on the portly side. AGP is a terrible thing.

 

[Ziggurat]

And since I can't read minds, I'm sure you won't mind if I get your on-the-record opinion as to whether transgender identity is a mental health disorder?

Gender dysphoria is a disorder. “Transgender identity” is too incoherent and ill defined to say anything meaningful about.

 

[Elaedith]

Interesting thread from MurrayBlackburnMackenzie on the response to an freedom of information request to the Scottish prison service asking for details of the equality impact assessment undertaken on their trans prisoner policy. This request was necessary because they do not list the EQIA for this on their website, despite all other EQIAs being listed.

The response to the the FOI showed:

The final policy document was authored by the manager of the Scottish trans alliance
'The Scottish Trans Alliance and Stonewall Scotland were consulted but no women’s groups were consulted.'
Reports from trans activist organisations GIRES and Gendered Intelligence were cited, although they made no reference to prisons
The Yogyakarta Principles were cited
Sex was not identified as one of the protected characteristics for those affected by the policy.
The EQIA focuses almost entirely on how trans prisoners would be affected

Of course we know this can't be true because we have it on good authority that all these policies are thoroughly researched, based on expert opinion, and consider the rights of all parties. It is shocking that the SPS would lie in this way in their response to an FOI. /s

 

[Rolfe]

 

[d4m10n]

Oh, and he looks like this. Or maybe a bit older, it's not a recent picture.

[qimg]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FnjV_BFXEAEddMg?format=jpg&name=small[/qimg]

At least that picture isn't taken inside a women's lavatory, like so many of these trans selfies. Someone has suggested it was taken in a women's refuge, but I don't know the details.

Whenever I see a quote superimposed over photo and passed around as a meme on the internet, I assume it is falsely attributed until proven otherwise.

“Transgender identity” is too incoherent and ill defined to say anything meaningful about.

Anyone who identifies as trans is trans. Easy peasy.

 

[Rolfe]

Another day, another chapter in Scotland's attempt to claw itself out of the trans madness. Elaedeth has highlighted the FOI request which shows how utterly and desperately the prison service has been captured by the trans lobby. That turncoat bitch "James" Morton has a lot to answer for.

Wings has a new blog post up pulling together a lot of what we were talking about yesterday.

Don't you think she looks tired?

When trying to explain the gender issue to normal people who pay little attention to politics, the biggest problem faced by “gender-critical” activists (including this site) is the need to constantly dial down the reality and tell people about the mildest aspects first, because if you drop them straight in with the serious stuff they think you’re insane.

“Don’t be ridiculous, of course our government wouldn’t lock up traumatised, non-violent female prisoners with psychopathic rapist men”, they say, quite understandably, because the whole idea is so obviously and utterly deranged. But thanks to the SNP, now it’s in all the papers and on the teatime news bulletins and you don’t sound like a tinfoil-hatted conspiracy theorist when you tell people about it.

There is a contributor to the Wings comments section with the handle "smitty" who claims to have an inside track on dealings within the Scottish government. This has not been confirmed, obviously, but it's not inherently implausible. He said this in a BTL comment on yesterday's cartoon post.

My informants at the Stasi HQ at Holyrood inform me that it was ministerial intervention and NOT the SPS which led to Isla Bryson going to Corton Vale. Whilst being driven to Barlinnie a call from the Justice dept was made to the redirect him to Corton Vale. Spads have been asked to bury this and Keystone Comms have been put on high alert. If it breaks then Keith Brown is being lined up for the boot. The whole gov is now being set up to protect one woman; Sturgeon, although officials and Spads along with some ministers are distancing themselves as much as they can.
There are concerns for the health of a few MSPs and one minister who have had a torrid time during the recess break from disgruntled voters and members.

My sources also tell me that a further 10,000 members have left SNP after the GRR vote. They lost 20k in the previous year, which they blame on the cost of living crisis but in fact over 80% have left over the GRA. The party is in a bad way financially, indy further away than ever and Sturgein throwing careers other than her own to get this on the statute books.

If this is true it is absolutely extraordinary. If Graham/Bryson had simply gone to Barlinnie as per the court order little to none of this would have blown up. The over-riding of the court recommendation was an astonishing own goal from the pro-trans lobby. If it came from inside the Justice Department, either the people there are light years removed from the population they nominally serve, believing that they can do what they like to coddle the Sacred Trans with no come-back, or there is an actual fifth columnist in there.

The articles in the Sunday Mail duly appeared.

Ex-prisoner was 'shaking with fear' while sharing shower block with violent trans inmates at Scots prison

Amanda Benson, 41, revealed she was so terrified of being raped and ending up pregnant that she felt compelled to have a contraceptive coil fitted while behind bars. The mum of four, locked up with two trans prisoners, one convicted of murder, the other for domestic violence, accused Nicola Sturgeon of “serving up women to predators on a rainbow platter” in Scotland’s jails.

She said: “My whole time in prison on constant high alert, my nerves were frazzled with fear. These incredibly violent men were walking around the communal shower area naked and sometimes clearly aroused. Myself and other women were in cubicles with only a curtain to protect us. I was shaking with fear. In the end I went to the prison clinic and had a coil fitted because I believed I could be raped at any time. I didn’t want one, I felt forced to do it. There was around 40 prisoners and two of them were trans. Neither appeared to be women. They dressed as men, they didn’t wear makeup, they were not so far as I know on any hormone drugs, they sounded like men. One of them was a domestic abuser who was over six feet tall and extremely threatening looking, the other was serving time for murder. All of the women who were forced to be in that prison with these people were vulnerable in different ways, many of them had been the victims of male violence, irrespective of their own offending. It is utterly outrageous, evil even, that we were put in a position of having to live in fear of being sexually attacked every day. I simply do not accept that these two prisoners were women, they were dangerous violent men who could at any point have used their strength to overpower one of the women.

“I will never forget the first time I found myself confronted with this huge man. He was in prison for domestic abuse against his female partner and yet here he was being allowed to intimidate women every day. We were told his name was Laura and that we would need to call him by that name, while the murderer was called Alex. I felt like if I was to misgender them it would be me who would be getting into trouble and possibly having my sentence lengthened. We didn’t have showers in our cells and so we had to shower in the communal shower block, so women who were traumatised and vulnerable had to be naked and shower with men in their spaces.

“I know some female prisoners decided not to shower at all as a result because they feared they would be raped or assaulted. I didn’t want to share showers with men, but I was forced to. I didn’t want to see naked and aroused men in my shower area. I didn’t want men in my gym class. I tried to escape by working in the salon, but Alex who had committed murder was there. One time I remember being locked in a holding cell with no prison officers waiting to attend a visit with my children next to a trans prisoner. Anything could have happened to me in those 15 minutes while I was locked in that holding cell with a violent man.”

Amanda is on Twitter as @lockedupwithmen, an account she created last month, if anyone wants to go and call her a liar to her face.

We know who Alex is, but this is the first I have heard of "Laura". More and more of these cases are coming out now.

Mum of Isla Bryson's daughter says rapist will never see child again after conviction

Nothing much in that except more accounts of scumbag being scumbag.

First victim of trans rapist Isla Bryson says it is 'impossible' her attacker is no longer a man

You don't say!

The haunted victim said her first thought on hearing the prison news was: “What about all the ladies in there?”

Her mum, who refuses to refer to Bryson with female pronouns, said her daughter thinks it’s “impossible” he’s transgender. She added: “She can’t believe it’s the same person.”

Bryson was in a relationship with his first victim and lived with her and her mother before the romance ended after he raped her in her own bed in September 2016. The family suspect he only identified as trans in a bid to dodge tough conditions in a men’s jail.

You and the rest of us, indeed. But our government tells us that that would never happen! The rest of the article is an account of a scumbag being extremely controlling within an intimate relationship.

Now obviously this is the Sunday Mail, and they put their own tabloid spin on things, but the paper is very widely read in Scotland. Inevitably, many people who had no idea what's been going on are a great deal better informed today.

Much less widely read, but much higher in the league of actual journalism, is Holyrood magazine.

The Isla Bryson case only highlights the real risks to women of gender self-ID

Practice in the delivery of single-sex services has stealthily leapfrogged the legal requirements that bind them. But the fallout from this case has blown a hole in the rhetoric that trans women are women and has exposed the reality of the risks that women, whose concerns about self-identification were infamously dismissed as “not valid” by the first minister, have been saying for years.

In simple terms, how do you tell a bad actor from one of good faith? What is the test for telling whether someone is really a trans woman or really a man pretending to be a trans women? And in what circumstances could you ever believe that housing a male rapist, no matter how he identifies, in a women’s jail, could possibly not increase risk to women?

Clearly the rapist’s lawyer understood the mind-boggling context of the times in which we live, when he argued that his client, given his transition to be a woman, could not be described as a predatory male and should therefore be acquitted. Thankfully an absurdity the judge ignored. But despite this, the rapist was sent to be housed in a women’s jail – no matter that that was temporary – which surely raises questions about the matrix used to assess risk, and whether that assessment of risk was solely calculated around a presumption that incarceration would be within the women’s estate?

He’s a rapist, for God’s sake. Why would you even go there?

And the sheer ridiculousness of it all would be laughable if we didn’t already live in a Scotland where, when it comes to the safety of women, we are now in a dark place where the path of least resistance is being followed. Where the feelings of a man who has violated women are considered above those of his victims. Where an assailant’s favoured pronouns are given more clout than the dignity of the women he abused. And where a judiciary and a media, so captured by current mores, can find it appropriate to agree to a rapist being referred to in court as “she” and his weapon of assault as “her penis”? This is not normal and it is why the question to politicians about what defines a woman had a serious point.

And if your first response to all of this is to be outraged that the rapist has been “dead named” or even “misgendered” or that so-called Terfs are conflating predators with trans people, then you need to reflect on the fact that this is a rapist conflating himself with being trans because he can. You have let him. And you need to seriously re-evaluate your own priorities and consider who it is in Scotland that has been radicalised here.

This case should leave no room for debate and yet even it has become mired in what side of the sex and gender debate you find yourself on. It is where a belief in gender ideology trumps biology and the feelings of a male rapist take precedence over abused women, and it leaves the gender ideologues so tied up in knots by their own facile arguments that they now can’t even bear to describe a rapist as a “him”.

That is as abhorrent as it is indefensible. And it harms women, and it harms trans people. Every person who calls a rapist for what he is – a man – makes it easier for the rest of us to speak truth to power and not allow for fantasy and mendacity to pollute issues of equality.

Trans activists on Twitter are busy mass-reporting this article to the Press Complaints Commission.

And nobody has even brought up the Andrew Burns case yet. If they have any sense at all left in their gender-addled noggins, they will countermand the order for him to be moved to a women's prison. That might at least side-step the next phase in the escalation of this scandal. I wouldn't bet on it though.

ETA: I've come across the source for the Sunday Mail story, a blog post first published in May of last year. Amanda's story - women are not human shields. Most of the story is lifted from the. However, since the newspaper has Amanda's surname and age and photograph (oh, and some details of the offence she was jailed for), none of which appear in the blog post, they have at least spoken to her. You try for eight months to get someone to take some notice of your complaint, then a judge's recommendation to send a violent rapist to Barlinnie somehow gets countermanded, and you're all over the paper. Nice work, whoever did that.

 

[Rolfe]

Whenever I see a quote superimposed over photo and passed around as a meme on the internet, I assume it is falsely attributed until proven otherwise.

Oh, thanks. I was looking for a copy of the photo without the quote because although I had seen it once and knew it was genuine, I didn't know where to find it. But all the copies circulating seem to have the quote. Nice to have it confirmed.

 

[Rolfe]

This article from the Sunday Times is also worth a read.

At last, people see the reality of gender reform — and don’t like it

Having gazed dutifully at the ground for so long, last week most of Scotland finally looked up — and it did not like what it saw.

Despite the brow-beating to deny the reality of what our eyes have been telling us, the inherent logic of what so many have always instinctively known to be true was there before us, in all its Lycra-clad glory. There this person was — half dressed like Linford Christie at the starting blocks but with pretty pink nails and lovely flowing blonde locks — a convicted double rapist, and a woman at that!

The trouble is no one bought it — well, precious few did. The science deniers of course regrouped and pivoted but the central tenet of their cause had now been exposed (no pun intended) for the fiction that it was. The heresy of questioning aloud whether a simple declaration made a man into a woman was now mainstream. Adam Graham may now be Isla Bryson, but I don’t consider this person a woman and, in the eyes of many, they never will be. A convicted rapist whose testimony at trial was dismissed for the sham that it was is suddenly to be unquestioningly believed when declaring themselves a woman!

After Bryson’s conviction I asked whether they were a trans woman or simply a man pretending to be so. Whichever is true, Bryson’s case has finally shot that most resilient of foxes— that concerns for women’s safety were due to simple transphobia.

I've always said that things take longer than you think they will. However, I think we can at the very least see a turning of the tide here.

 

[LondonJohn]

This article from the Sunday Times is also worth a read.

At last, people see the reality of gender reform — and don’t like it




I've always said that things take longer than you think they will. However, I think we can at the very least see a turning of the tide here.

LOL One article by an anti-transgender-identity activist (you should maybe check out his Twitter page....).

And by the way (and entirely relevantly), most of the good old general public of England & Wales were against the decriminalisation of consensual private gay sex when that took place in 1967. Shockingly, gay sex wasn't decriminalised in Scotland until 1980, at which point only a small majority of the Scottish public didn't regard it as a legitimate criminal offence.

Oh, and a sizeable majority of the general public in most of the Southern US states were not in favour of granting civil rights to black people in the 50s/60s.

"A turning of the tide" hehehehe. I guess when one delights in mocking and denying transgender identity, wishful thinking must come in very handy.

 

[LondonJohn]

Another day, another chapter in Scotland's attempt to claw itself out of the trans madness. Elaedeth has highlighted the FOI request which shows how utterly and desperately the prison service has been captured by the trans lobby. That turncoat bitch "James" Morton has a lot to answer for.

Good. Grief.
Well, Ray Illingworth was fond of the phrase "If you're going to flash, flash hard" (in relation to a batter wafting his/her bat at a ball going wide of off stump).

I wonder if it's ever actually occurred* to the anti-transgender-identity brigade that...

...while they're busy applying the ludicrous term "captured" as a go-to blanket rationalisation for an ever-increasing number of medical institutions/officials/public bodies/legislatures/executives/judiciaries who are all (virtually without exception) coming down on the side of recognition/authentication/rights-granting to transgender people...

...a more rational explanation of what's happening is that a) all those medical institutions/officials/public bodies/legislatures/executives/judiciaries are actually capable of thinking for themselves (as opposed to the ridiculous possibility that all of them have been somehow mesmerised and consciously/unconsciously directed by pro-transgender advocates), and b) it's actually the transgender-identity-denialists who are on the wrong side of history...?


* Of course I don't wonder if it's occurred to them: zealous evangelical cults are not known for their objectivity and self-awareness/self-criticism when it comes to their particular "religion".

 

[Rolfe]

And nobody has even brought up the Andrew Burns case yet. If they have any sense at all left in their gender-addled noggins, they will countermand the order for him to be moved to a women's prison. That might at least side-step the next phase in the escalation of this scandal. I wouldn't bet on it though.

Well well, lookie what just happened.

Scotland pauses movement of all transgender prisoners while rules reviewed

Scotland has paused the movement of any transgender prisoner while it carries out a review of the rules. It comes after prison chiefs in Scotland have in recent weeks approved moving Tiffany Scott, who stalked a 13-year-old girl while known as Andrew Burns, to an all-female prison.

A Scottish Prison Service spokesperson said: "We have commenced an urgent review of all transgender cases currently managed in our establishments. "Our first concern is always, and remains, the health, safety, and wellbeing of all the people in our care, and that of our staff. We have very robust risk assessment processes, and a track record of keeping people safe, in often challenging circumstances. We have therefore paused the movement of all transgender individuals, until the review has been completed."

This is obviously some new definition of "robust" of which I was entirely unaware.

I detect awareness in high places of the appearance of Mene, mene, tekel upharsin.

In fact I'm entirely with this Twitter thread in believing it to be a backside-covering exercise designed merely to take the heat off for a bit, but it's still encouraging to see them this rattled.

 

[d4m10n]

...it's actually the transgender-identity-denialists who are on the wrong side of history...?

History will someday show that there were no serious risks to putting violent males in women's prisons? I'll take that bet.



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[Rolfe]

History will someday show that there were no serious risks to putting violent males in women's prisons? I'll take that bet.

It's actually quite touching the way John keeps coming back to the thread to ignore all the substantive arguments and post screaming ad hominems time and time again.

 

[Elaedith]

It's actually quite touching the way John keeps coming back to the thread to ignore all the substantive arguments and post screaming ad hominems time and time again.

I actually think there is a positive correlation between the strength of the opposing evidence posted in the thread and the virulence of his ad hominems. I'm pondering on the best method to test this hypothesis statistically.

 

[Wolrab]

How many women have to be raped, beaten, and murdered before this transwoman idiocy ends?

 

[Rolfe]

One is too many. And as I said on Twitter a wee while ago, Scotland is getting the publicity because of an accident(?) of timing, but it's as bad if not worse in other countries and the UN spokesman on torture needs to be spreading the message a lot wider.

 

[theprestige]

it's actually the transgender-identity-denialists who are on the wrong side of history...?

History is already against you on the question of letting males into female prisons on self-ID alone.

And there is absolutely zero scientific evidence that putting males in female prisons is a good way to treat gender dysphoria. And that's before we even consider whether the tradeoffs make it unethical even if it were effective.

Why do you put so much blind faith in future history, instead of examining the facts we already have?