Transwomen are not women - X (XY?)

[TomB]

I hadn't watched a Blaire White video for quite a while, so I thought I'd check out her channel.

Her most recent video is talking about Dylan Mulvaney, a trans tiktoker who does videos about being a girl. (her 207th day as a girl, for example).

I almost didn't watch the video because I'd never heard of this person and would have just written them off as another strange extreme example that is not representative of trans people. Actually, I think that's correct. But, this person was invited to the White House to talk to President Biden about trans issues. So...might be worth paying attention to.

Anyway, the video. If Rolfe were to create a character to illustrate all of her problems with trans women, i think that character wold be Dylan Mulvaney.

Interestingly, Blaire, although trans herself, brings up most of the same issues as Rolfe, even going so far as to say that she will never "experience what it's like to be a woman" or to be a girl. She talks about womanface. And wonders about Dylan's obsession with tampons.

It's a 20 minute video, but it's worth the watch.
https://youtu.be/r59Q-SB1kkI

 

[Rolfe]

Blaire is fairly obviously HSTS, and doesn't have the same motivation as the AGP cohort. Gay men seem to divide into to fairly well-defined groups, those who "get" the issues women face and offer a sympathetic ear, and those who despise women as irrelevant, inferior beings. Blaire seems to belong to the former group.

The whole tampon fetish thing is pure AGP.

 

[Ziggurat]

The whole tampon fetish thing is pure AGP.

Yeah, that's creepy as ****. I'm really not willing to follow this up with research, but I read a bit about freezing tomato juice and inserting it to make fake periods.

 

[Rolfe]

This incident I mentioned some time ago came up again on Twitter, this time with some receipts. I got screaming abuse for mentioning it the first time. (Warning - the story is really gross, don't click the link if you have a sensitive constitution.)

https://twitter.com/MalesOfReddit/status/1616255972078661633

The thing is, maybe this is rare, maybe it isn't, we have no way to know. Some people will argue that since the red-haired shop assistant had no idea what the creep was doing, it didn't harm her, what she doesn't know about doesn't affect her. I utterly reject that interpretation.

Allowing men like this access to women's protected spaces destroys these spaces and puts many/most women on edge. Fetishes like this tend to escalate - how long before he's stalking that girl? And I'll say it once again. Once it is legal for any subset of men to enter women's spaces, any man at all has de facto right of entrance. We can't keep any of them out, because we have no way to know which men belong to the subset who have been granted the legal right to be there and which don't. (And the Scottish bill specifically facilitates any man actually getting that legal right for a fiver, anyway.)

 

[Rolfe]

Trans-Identified Male At Center Of Santee YMCA Controversy Had Previously Sued A Gym For Access To Women’s Facilities

Presented without comment.

 

[Ziggurat]

Some people will argue that since the red-haired shop assistant had no idea what the creep was doing, it didn't harm her, what she doesn't know about doesn't affect her. I utterly reject that interpretation.

And rightfully so. It's a garbage take.

Allowing men like this access to women's protected spaces destroys these spaces and put many/most women on edge. Fetishes like this tend to escalate - how long before he's stalking that girl?

Too late, it already escalated. Look more closely at that last image: it's an arrest record. And note the crime: lewd or lascivious acts with a child under 14 years of age. He might not have stalked that shopkeeper, but he absolutely escalated his behavior, and you're right, it was entirely predictable.

 

[Stout]

It's a 20 minute video, but it's worth the watch.
https://youtu.be/r59Q-SB1kkI

There's Mulvaney and then there's someone who is actually worse than Mulvaney when it comes to being misogynistic over tampons. I posted a link to that video previously but it's currently languishing somewhere in AAH as "off topic" (probably).

Actually, I think the Blair White video went along with it.

 

[Rolfe]

Too late, it already escalated. Look more closely at that last image: it's an arrest record. And note the crime: lewd or lascivious acts with a child under 14 years of age. He might not have stalked that shopkeeper, but he absolutely escalated his behavior, and you're right, it was entirely predictable.

Good spot. I hadn't looked at that last image, I thought it was just something like a Twitter header. Did you see the description of the perp? Sex: FEMALE.

This has got to stop.

 

[Sherkeu]

This incident I mentioned some time ago came up again on Twitter, this time with some receipts. I got screaming abuse for mentioning it the first time. (Warning - the story is really gross, don't click the link if you have a sensitive constitution.)

https://twitter.com/MalesOfReddit/status/1616255972078661633

The thing is, maybe this is rare, maybe it isn't, we have no way to know. Some people will argue that since the red-haired shop assistant had no idea what the creep was doing, it didn't harm her, what she doesn't know about doesn't affect her. I utterly reject that interpretation.

Allowing men like this access to women's protected spaces destroys these spaces and puts many/most women on edge. Fetishes like this tend to escalate - how long before he's stalking that girl? And I'll say it once again. Once it is legal for any subset of men to enter women's spaces, any man at all has de facto right of entrance. We can't keep any of them out, because we have no way to know which men belong to the subset who have been granted the legal right to be there and which don't. (And the Scottish bill specifically facilitates any man actually getting that legal right for a fiver, anyway.)

Soooo gross!

I first came across this 2 years ago and posted in this thread about it. It was something that hadnt even occurred to me as an attractive fetish, but it is very very real. With all the increased access it will just happen more and more.

my post feb 2021:

And in fact, this is an issue reading a lot of the MtF discussions/opinions online....you come across some pretty explicit stuff and you don't really know til it's already sitting there your brain. I now have unfortunately learned about these gross fetishes some do in women's restrooms with our USED feminine hygiene products that would never ever have occurred to me as something a human would want to do.

The man you linked to is listed as female but no way he was allowed into the women's jail.
I saw stats for California that VERY few incarcerated transwomen are allowed to transfer despite both federal and state laws that say they cannot be discriminated based 'just' on genitalia. And despite millions of dollars poured into legal activism.
They are refused because they have a history of being dangerous to women.

 

[Rolfe]

I wish that was the case here.

 

[Emily's Cat]

I did see something on Twitter with a page from a Spanish dictionary giving two forms of the word for non-binary - one masculine the other feminine!

This is completely chef's kiss

 

[Emily's Cat]

No, I thought knew you wouldn't. Thankfully it doesn't matter, because the adults in the room (meaning the mainstream medical experts, and progressive legislatures throughout the developed world) don't think as you do. They now understand that transgender identity is a valid condition* and that consequently transgender people need and deserve proper accommodation, rights and protections.

Please define the following terms that you use in your post:

• adults
• mainstream medical experts
• progressive legislatures
• developed world
• valid condition
• accommodation
• rights
• protections

 

[Emily's Cat]

ETA: Of course children should not be pressured to think about what their sexual orientation is/will be before they even reach sexual maturity or anything of that sort. That is another key difference between T and LGB. People just tend to wait and see what a child's sexual orientation will eventually, be even if they think they can guess earlier. In contrast, some children are declared to be 'trans' even before puberty.

This is something that keeps coming up as a conflict point in US schools as well, and has resulted in some asinine overreactions (looking at you, Texas).

Very young children are being pressured to declare their sexual orientation well before they should even be aware of sexuality at all. There have been a few cases where there has been discussion of what actual sex as it pertains to straight people versus homosexual people. And as open-minded as I am, I just don't really think that kindergarteners should be subjected to classroom discussions of anal sex or fingering. They use the veneer of "lgb inclusivity"... but the content is seriously pushing rational boundaries of what is age-appropriate material.

 

[Emily's Cat]

Sex is more of a spectrum as it's not binary

Among mammals, sex is binary and is 100% NOT a spectrum at all. There are only two gametes.

Seriously, how do you think babies get made?

 

[Emily's Cat]

The EA petition has since added another 300 signatures, so while the 'urgency' might not be there, the news has given this more momentum. It's up +453 on midnight, well over your target for the day, and there's still the late afternoon and all evening to go.

The Bradford petition is now at 113.3K, current rate about 2,600 signatures/hour. So Parliament will have to debate this, even if it's at 2am with three Tory MPs and a guide dog present.

Where the Bradford petition is helpful is it underscores the concerns of other groups who have protected characteristics under the EA - i.e. religion. These have been raised repeatedly in debates about single-sex spaces, but concerns about the beliefs of Muslim or Orthodox Jewish women seem to be dismissed or downplayed by supporters of self-ID.

The older I get, the more convinced I am that it's one specific key word in that last sentence that really seems to be the sticking point of whether or not something gains support. Can you guess which word that is?

 

[Emily's Cat]

Martin Kettle has a shockingly reasonable comment piece on the blocking of the Scottish bill:

Blocking Scotland’s gender bill is no anti-woke crusade. But it’s not a democratic outrage either
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...-scotland-gender-recognition-bill-rishi-sunak

The UK government statement of reasons is also now up
https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...tion-35-of-the-scotland-act-1998/html-version

It's very difficult to argue with the concerns and contradictions raised except by ignoring them, which was pretty much how the bill passed in Holyrood.

From your second link:

• a reduction in the period for which an applicant must have lived in their acquired gender before submitting an application, from 2 years to 3 months (or 6 months for applicants aged under 18), alongside the introduction of a mandatory 3 month reflection period
• the removal of the requirement for an applicant to provide any evidence that they have lived in their acquired gender when submitting an application

They reduce the required time to "live as the acquired gender" to three months... but nobody has to show that they've done so.

Seems like it's really just a three month delay in case paperwork piles up?

 

[Rolfe]

From your second link:

They reduce the required time to "live as the acquired gender" to three months... but nobody has to show that they've done so.

Seems like it's really just a three month delay in case paperwork piles up?

A few of us terfs were talking about this in a café in Galashiels last weekend and as far as we could see there was nothing to prevent any of us from simply applying to become men without changing anything about our appearance or behaviour. A couple of the bolder ones said they would do it, and that it would be fun if lots and lots of women did.

 

[novaphile]

One example would be the pushback against the idea that biological sex is a social construct now that the conversation has moved on to who really cares about the whole gender idea anymore.

Another example would be the pushback against the insistence that areas traditionally segregated by biological sex should be opened to all based on gender identity.

One more would be....If you laughed at, or thought this video was misogynistic then you might just be an oppressor.

I think it's time for some university to go completely gender neutral. Everything, bathrooms, locker rooms, sports teams, living arrangements.... Just to see what would happen.

It's pretty clear what would happen.

There would be less participation by women.

That's the plan isn't it?

(Bringing back the urinary leash, and preventing women from having sports/activities that they can participate in?)

 

[Emily's Cat]

Interesting (and revealing) use by you of the Orwellian term "wrongthink" there.

Tell me: suppose for a moment that this woman had been identifying herself as a nurse or nurse educator and had been making podcasts, videos, social media posts etc stating that homosexuality was a mental health disorder* and that gay people were nothing but hetero people with sexual deviancies? Do you think it would have been fair or unfair to bring disciplinary procedures against her?

What exactly do you think Hamm said? Can you provide any evidence to back up your speculation? Can you provide anything even remotely akin to what you suggest above?

 

[Emily's Cat]

I see. Evasion* duly noted. Unsurprisingly, of course.

As you were!

* Not to mention characteristic hypocrisy - seeing as you are clearly happy to hold the opinion that she's being treated unfairly without "address(ing) words she actually said or wrote". Interesting and illuminating, that.

JFC. What she did was be involved in putting up a billboard that had "I {heart} JK Rowling" on it. And she committed the unforgiveable sin of expressing out loud that females should be entitled to retain access to female-only spaces, and that males should not be allowed in those spaces regardless of how they identify.

How about you ******* operate in the real ******* world instead of in your head this time?