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NHS postpones plans to pay £100,000 to activist group to train staff after revolt by medical staff.

'Some 300 nurses, midwives and psychologists wrote to Lizzie Streeter, the NHS national LGBT programme manager behind the project, warning it had “no evidence base” and put maternity wards “at risk of ideological capture”.

"In their six-point letter, the health staff cited the closure of the Tavistock and Portman NHS Trust’s child gender clinic after criticism over activist influence, warning: A scandal similar to Tavistock could be repeated in NHS maternity services due to poor research and the influence of advocacy organisations. It also outlined how the LGBT Foundation’s “bogus” trans maternity report, based on its 121-person sample of trans patients, was “not peer reviewed and contains significant flaws in its methodology and analysis” as well as no research on the medical needs of such people or the impact of any changes on female patients."
 
Tonight's bit of fun (just to annoy John).

At midnight the petition stood at 70,188 signatures, which means that 381 signatures were added today. A bit down on yesterday but still comfortably ahead of the magic number. Still on track.

The magic number is now 313.8.


In other entirely off-topic news, just in case anyone wanted to know what I'm really obsessed about, tonight I finally spotted the Freia B motif in Parsifal. This motif is common to most of Wagner's mature works (possibly all, I'm working on it) in the overall context of the divine principle of Love. Venus (in Tannhäuser), the Holy Grail (in Lohengrin), Freia (in the Ring) and Frau Minne (in Tristan and Isolde). It's also there in the secular Die Meistersinger von Nürnberg, although that's a slightly longer story.

It's all over the Ring, particularly Die Walküre, and given the overall connotation I was seriously interested in whether it appeared in Parsifal. Tonight I found it, in act 3, at the end of the passage known as the Good Friday music. It's just after Gurnemanz explains that all creation gives thanks that nature is absolved from sin and gains its day of innocence. That'll do, I think.

I note the form of the motif, with a falling sixth instead of a falling fourth or tritone, is to some exent harking back to the form in which it appeared way back in Tannhäuser in association with Venus, where the intervals are wider than in the definitive form in the Ring. But I need to do more analysis on this.

I now return you to your scheduled programming. Just remarking that it is actually possible to be mega-obsessed by something John has absolutely no idea about, but nevertheless occasionally dip in to an unrelated hot topic. Some might call it displacement activity. Ah well.
 
Rolfe said:
Sorry Nick, cross-posting. I got into a digression, as you can see.
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That's quite alright. ;)

Will be interesting to see how long the petition takes for the daily average to fall below 300, if it stays at roughly current rates or accelerates. If it's adding 1200 every three days, roughly, then the petition would reach its target in 74.52 days, or roughly at the end of March, three weeks before the deadline. But whether it continues to add 1200 every three days is as always TBC.
 
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These things always fluctuate. I'd be surprised if it didn't fall off at some stage - it still has more than three months to run. But the organisers are likely to have some strategies in hand for a push towards the end, if needed.


Oh, nice. The main falling interval is a sixth in Tannhäuser as well. Although the other intervals are also wider in that version whereas in Parsifal it's only the sixth - the falling second and the rising third are the same as in the definitive motif. The critical thing is that the motifs have the same emotional character in each case. (Which is not the case with the other, almost-identical, motif in the Ring known as the Valhalla cadence. I can't even get Wagner scholars to discuss the relationship between the Valhalla cadence and Freia B sensibly. Still, I don't need to tie up every loose end. Nobody else does.)
 
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The WM government is evil incarnate, but right now if the devil himself intervened to stop this, I'd thank him.
 
Over on the petitions site, a relatively new one with a deadline of 12 July 2023, "Remove LGBT content from the Relationships Education curriculum", has taken off to a ridiculous extent. The description is relatively simple: "We believe kids shouldn't learn about this at an early age. I am sure there are many parents who do not want their or other children taught about LGBT in primary school."

This has been running at 3500-3900 signatures/hour for the past few hours and is now at 58,693 (7.05pm): https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/630932

I don't know what the previous relationships education curriculum was like, at what age it was taught and what it said. The blanket 'get rid of this' demand seems over the top. But it has clearly struck a nerve wherever it was being promoted - which incidentally is NOT on TERF Twitter.
 
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Over on the petitions site, a relatively new one with a deadline of 12 July 2023, "Remove LGBT content from the Relationships Education curriculum", has taken off to a ridiculous extent. The description is relatively simple: "We believe kids shouldn't learn about this at an early age. I am sure there are many parents who do not want their or other children taught about LGBT in primary school."

This has been running at 3500-3900 signatures/hour for the past few hours and is now at 58,693 (7.05pm): https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/630932

I don't know what the previous relationships education curriculum was like, at what age it was taught and what it said. The blanket 'get rid of this' demand seems over the top. But it has clearly struck a nerve wherever it was being promoted - which incidentally is NOT on TERF Twitter.
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I can see removing the T from the relationships curriculum because it has nothing directly to do with relationships, and because in the current climate it is likely to contain pseudoscience (e.g. sex is a spectrum) and contested ideological rather than neutral content that could increase the risk of gender confusion and dysphoria for gay and for gender non-conforming children (e.g. telling children that being a boy or girl is based on feelings or conformity to stereotypes).

LGB is directly related to relationships and I don't see why it shouldn't be included in a basic factual way.

ETA: Of course children should not be pressured to think about what their sexual orientation is/will be before they even reach sexual maturity or anything of that sort. That is another key difference between T and LGB. People just tend to wait and see what a child's sexual orientation will eventually, be even if they think they can guess earlier. In contrast, some children are declared to be 'trans' even before puberty.
 
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Nick Terry said:
Over on the petitions site, a relatively new one with a deadline of 12 July 2023, "Remove LGBT content from the Relationships Education curriculum", has taken off to a ridiculous extent. The description is relatively simple: "We believe kids shouldn't learn about this at an early age. I am sure there are many parents who do not want their or other children taught about LGBT in primary school."

This has been running at 3500-3900 signatures/hour for the past few hours and is now at 58,693 (7.05pm): https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/630932

I don't know what the previous relationships education curriculum was like, at what age it was taught and what it said. The blanket 'get rid of this' demand seems over the top. But it has clearly struck a nerve wherever it was being promoted - which incidentally is NOT on TERF Twitter.
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I've been watching that too. I signed it myself, with slight misgivings, when it was sitting at only a couple of hundred signatures. My feeling is that the latent period of children is something that should be cherished and with the mention of primary school I am on balance in favour.

It's fairly clear from the map where this is being promoted. In mosques. Bradford and Blackburn are driving it. I have to commend their organisation. I suspect more people than moslems are going to find themselves in alignment when they find out about it, too.

At this rate it will overtake the EA one by midnight.
 
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I can see removing the T from the relationships curriculum because it has nothing directly to do with relationships, and because in the current climate it is likely to contain pseudoscience (e.g. sex is a spectrum) and contested ideological rather than neutral content that could increase the risk of gender confusion and dysphoria for gay and for gender non-conforming children (e.g. telling children that being a boy or girl is based on feelings or conformity to stereotypes).

LGB is directly related to relationships and I don't see why it shouldn't be included in a basic factual way.
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I sympathise with that view to some extent, but the petition author is specifically talking about primary school. Also, "basic factual way" doesn't seem to be on the agenda. When you actually see what's on these syllabuses, "burn it to the ground" seems like a fair response.
 
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I sympathise with that view to some extent, but the petition author is specifically talking about primary school. Also, "basic factual way" doesn't seem to be on the agenda. When you actually see what's on these syllabuses, "burn it to the ground" seems like a fair response.
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I was wondering, haven't seen the syllabus.
 
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I was wondering, haven't seen the syllabus.
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Well, to be fair, what I have seen is teaching material used in Scotland. Since they're specifically talking about England I can't know it's similar, but I'll bet it is. The syllabus can sound relatively anodyne, but the teaching materials are something else. They contract out the production of these materials to activist groups and lately they've started refusing to let parents see what's included on the grounds of "commercial confidentiality".

One meeting some time ago saw parents up in arms, and when one man tried to read out the actual teaching materials he was told to shut up because such obscenties weren't appropriate for this meeting.
 
The recent trend in cutting parents out of the loop about the curriculum being taught to their children, and the policies being applied to and enforced on their children, is really disturbing to me.
 
We have seen material encouraging children to look at PornHub. There was a lesson about dipping a banana into a pot of chocolate sauce encouraging girls to try anal sex. I've seen worksheets aimed at young primary school children asking questions no child should even be considering at that age.

We know that activist groups are circumventing parents' right to take their children out of sex education classes by "embedding" material specifically related to trans matters in the wider curriculum. Only today I saw a short film by a primary school teacher expressing concerns about some training she'd been given regarding encouraging young children to question their gender.

I'd support a petition that said, get the T out of that, it has nothing to do with sex education. I'd also support a petition that banned sex education full stop, particularly for primary school children. Primary school children shouldn't even be thinking about sex. This petition was neither of these things, but on balance, given the state of what's being taught to children at the moment, I thought I'd give it support. (It only had about 200 signatures, and I thought I was encouraging a no-hoper. What do I know?)
 
In other news, Maggie Chapman, co-convener of the Scottish Green Party (I believe) has just given a car-crash of an interview in which - among other things - she says she doesn't know what sex she is.


Well Maggie, I have had my chromosomes analysed because I did an Ancestry DNA test, but I wasn't at all surprised to learn that I was female, because for 29 years of my life I had a period every month.

Is it possible Maggie has never had a period?

She does know that she isn't trans, however, and seems quite happy to describe other people as men.
 
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