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The Bible is a Human Artifice!!!

Oops, I done made a typo! Mea culpa. Embarrasing, but no great surprise, I'm really rather drunk. What's your excuse?


Mine is not a mistake... it is a deliberate word and it means that MANY DETAILS will be coming as a response later... you know the 's' in English at the end of a noun denotes a plural noun.

"I am going to respond to your above post in details later"... means I am going to give lots of details as a response but not now.

Have you ever read Matthew 7:5?


I'm really rather drunk....


So I am not going to get a meaningful answer to this

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This is why your your line "I am gng t rspnd t yr bv pst n dtls ltr..." is understandable to most Engish speakers. The only word that I was unsure of was 'above', but context helped me to work it out pretty sharpish.

Ok then maybe you can tell me what is this word.... דלב ..... how is it pronounced ... choose say the Latin alphabet or the Cyrillic alphabet or the Greek to transliterate it in writing... or perhaps the ancient one of the Sanskrit (a.k.a. Hindi... a.k.a. Devanagari).

Is it Dolab or Delov or Dalov or Delve or Dilaba or Dulevo or what???
 
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You struggle with dislike written languages that don't include the vowels, we get that.

Yet another strawman...

Maybe, but you have claimed repeatedly that the particular script that the earliest parts of the bible were written in is proof of their being written by humans, rather than by a god*. The only reasoning you have given is that it is an abjad: that it doesn't denote vowels.

I don't think that my conclusion is unreasonable, under these circumstances.

*a position no-one has disputed.
 
Maybe, but you have claimed repeatedly that the particular script that the earliest parts of the bible were written in is proof of their being written by humans, rather than by a god*. The only reasoning you have given is that it is an abjad: that it doesn't denote vowels.

I don't think that my conclusion is unreasonable, under these circumstances.

*a position no-one has disputed.


Yet again another strawman... and evidence that you have yet to read the OP.

I suggest you read the OP.... here it is ... notice the FOUR OTHER "reasonings" that you missed.

Another proof of the bible being an artifice of human making is the fact that it was written in the language of the Canaanites, a people the deity of the bible execrated and tried to extirpate but failed because they had iron chariots.

And it was scripted using the flowed and incomplete Abjad of the Arameans, yet another peoples the deity of the bible execrated.

And it was allegedly given to an Egyptian courtier descended from Sumerians to give to runaway slaves descended from 70 Sumerian men with their mothers and sister after having been slaves in Egypt for 430 years.

QED!!!



*a position no-one has disputed.

That is arrantly not true .... I suggest you read this post and watch the videos in it... they clearly belie your claim.


I don't think that my conclusion is unreasonable, under these circumstances.


Pointing out the FACTS about something does not mean struggling with nor disliking that something... so no.. your conclusion is fallacious.



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Mine is not a mistake... it is a deliberate word and it means that MANY DETAILS will be coming as a response later... you know the 's' in English at the end of a noun denotes a plural noun.

"I am going to respond to your above post in details later"... means I am going to give lots of details as a response but not now.


That you mean it to mean that, does not mean that it means that.

You are mistaken -

See this,
And this,
And this.


Have you ever read Matthew 7:5?


Very possibly, I was made to read a lot of that nonsense in my youth (I've got certificates, and everything). Most of it has now been replaced in my memory with quotes from The Princess Bride. I see this as an improvement.

Why do you ask? Is it relevant?

Also, why are citing to scripture that you are (to no disagreement) dismissing as the product of human artifice?
 
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Maybe, but you have claimed repeatedly that the particular script that the earliest parts of the bible were written in is proof of their being written by humans, rather than by a god*. The only reasoning you have given is that it is an abjad: that it doesn't denote vowels.

I don't think that my conclusion is unreasonable, under these circumstances.

*a position no-one has disputed.
Yet again another strawman... and evidence that you have yet to read the OP.

I suggest you read the OP.... here it is ... notice the FOUR OTHER "reasonings" that you missed.


I was specifically addressing ONE of your arguments: the one about the script used to write the documents. It would appear the YOU didn't read MY post.

*a position no-one has disputed.
That is arrantly not true .... I suggest you read this post and watch the videos in it... they clearly belie your claim.


There would appear to have been a misunderstanding here. I was referring to this thread - no-one has disputed your position in this thread. I am uninterested in random Youtube bollocks.


I don't think that my conclusion is unreasonable, under these circumstances.

Pointing out the FACTS about something does not mean struggling with nor disliking that something... so no.. your conclusion is fallacious.


Well, YMMV, and all that, but feel free to identify the fallacy I've fallen prey to.
 
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Have you read any posts at all in this thread???

Seriously... the very second response to the OP is this




Now... do you not see any of those videos as belying irrefragably the claims of that post???

How about the post below... do you think any of those videos also belie the claims made below




And had you read anything at all in this thread you may have noticed the slander and calumny that the posts below were making... do you not see any of those videos as belying the posts below???






Do you now see how the videos rive to smithereens all the claims made in all those fallacious attempts to rebut the OP?

And even after pointing out those videos showing the errors of the posts and pointing out the reading miscomprehension of the quoted sidebar... the calumny persists and not a even an iota of admission that the slander was in error.

No, babe. Those weird videos are not representative of Judaic thought. You have a long tough road to prove they are.

I could find a few YT vids of Englishmen claiming the Royal Family are Lizard People. But it would be incredibly dishonest, not to say stupid, to claim that "this is what the English believe". Yet you have done just this.

And this has long gotten boring. I'm out.

eta: and I see "calumny" has appeared on your Weird and Awkward Word of the Day Calendar. Twice in the same post, even.
 
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Hint: You either go with reality or with the narrative of the fiction... you cannot defend and do apologetics for the fiction by appealing to reality... well... not in a rational reality that is.

Does this mean that your point on the subject of languages & alphabets is some hidden difference between linguistic reality and linguistic Biblical fiction?... such as that the Hebrews didn't think that the (other) Canaanites were their cousins?... or that they thought of themselves as Sumerians/Egyptians?... or that their idea of God was supposed to have been one that wouldn't have pitted cousins against cousins?... or that they thought God, not people, had invented writing as they knew it?... or that they thought they had done it themselves?


No it does not! Because you again are liberally mixing your own version of the fiction to fit with your version of wished upon reality.

Let me see if I can explain...

If you take reality:
  • The Exodus never happened.
  • There was no Moses or 2.5M+ Hebrews in Egypt or anywhere else
  • Joshu never happened.
  • Abraham never happened.
  • So the fictional Hebrews never thought they fictionally descended from a fictional Sumerian pimp.
  • The Buybull is obviously not the product of anyone other than humans flimflamming fairy tales and tall tales and putting it all in the Canaanite tongue they revered as an ancient liturgical language... much like the Catholic Church does for Latin... using the script they knew how to write in their epoch c.a. 5th or 6th century BCE... (maybe Ezra et al).

If you go with the fictive narrative:
  • Abraham was a Sumerian pimp who pimped his Sumerian half-sister-wife.
  • His grandson Jacob had a Sumerian mother and he married 2 Sumerian sisters along with their slaves and lived a good portion of his life in Sumer and Egypt and some years in Canaan.
  • All his children save one were born in Sumer.
  • After a brief sojourn in Canaan Jacob and his tribe of 70 individuals mostly his 12 sons and their wives and one sister and their mothers and grandsons migrated to Egypt.
  • Joseph's wife was Egyptian and his children born in Egypt.
  • Those 70 individuals ONE FAMILY mostly men allegedly became 2.5M+ people while being held as slaves in Egypt.... do you see a problem with that?
  • Those 2.5M+ Egyptian slaves after 430 years and having never spoken any Canaanite Dialect whatsoever somehow managed to be Hebrew speakers.... do you see no problem here?
  • Moses grew up in the Egyptian court speaking Egyptian... and by his own admission he could not speak the tongue of his birth mother properly.
  • YHWH wants to give Moses a set of laws and commandments and tablets of stone which say stuff and are written down using a script.... that he wrote himself.
  • Yet this script is borrowed from the Arameans who invented it in the 8th century BCE while all this happens in the 13th or 14th BCE century... do you not see a problem at all with this?
  • And the syntax and semantics of the content is in a dialect of Canaanite... a tongue that Moses cannot speak or read or understand.... do you not see any problem there?
  • But moreover... none of the 2.5M+ people to whom all those laws and commandments were meant to be given could read it or speak it or understand it since they never heard the language or seen the script that will be invented 5 or 6 centuries later.
  • Furthermore... YHWH the alleged creator of the universe... had to borrow the language of the Canaanites and the script of the Arameans... and this script is an Abjad ... a flawed and incomplete script that does not represent the range of phonetics of the semantics and thus had to be IMPROVED UPON 2000 years later by some Rabbis who invented the Nequdot in order to DISAMBIGUATE the words left ambiguous by the flaws and incompleteness of the Abjad, the maker of the universe borrowed and never improved upon himself like the Greeks did.
  • No wonder they were not impressed at all and preferred to worship a molded golden calf in preference to this deity they could clearly not fathom and who took them away from all those succulent vegetables of Egypt to a desert to starve and get parched and get lost.
  • The alleged descendants of these people (and Christians and Muslims) believe all this is true and real history and the YHWH is a real god who wrote real scriptures using his finger on real tablets and gave them to the real Moses and they are now what is known as the Bible ... or Hebrew Bible if you want or the T.N.K. (Tanakh)... or if you want to be more specific The Torah.

So now can you understand what the OP is saying???



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Ok. Write a book, turn over the entire religious world and get rich.
Just make sure to back it with verified facts from ancient sources. I am sure you have all that.
 
HINT 1: Do you know what is wrong with an Abjad and why I say it is flawed and incomplete??

1) it's not 'wrong', it's just different from what you're used to.


Script is meant to represent the spoken words (phonetics) on a medium for the purpose of reproduction at a later time/place....

If a script does not have the representations of all the phonemes and phonetics of the language then it is flawed and incomplete in its representation of that language.

And if the later time or place cannot be sure how the original sound was made and cannot produce it close enough or even induce the wrong word altogether due to the lack of graphemes... then the script is flawed and incomplete and can lead to wrong pronunciations of the words it is meant to help preserve or even to confusing words with other words changing the meaning of the written content.

What do you think this sentence is saying
ths batfl atry sppls mat ps​

This often occurs when the script is borrowed by one language from another since the script was invented for the purpose of the other language not the language borrowing it... like in the case of some European languages borrowing the Latin and having had to adapt the Latin alphabet in all sorts of additive ways.

Since an abjad is missing vowels... vowel indicators had to be INVENTED by humans to DISAMBIGUIATE words that could have ambiguous meaning depending on which vowel sounds they have which is not indicated if you do not have vowel graphemes.

Look up and read on the history of the Nequdot system and why it had to be invented.... also look at how many attempts at improving YHWH handwriting have been done in Tiberias and Babylon and Palestine and Samaria.


Your issue with abjads appears to be the lack of dedicated vowel letters, despite the fact that that's just fine for Semitic languages (and modern writers of the two main Semitic languages even have options for adding vowels to their abjads but seldom bother with them). But you've also called this one particular abjad "a flawed and incomplete abjad", which makes it seem as if there are other abjads out there which you wouldn't apply those adjectives to, and you haven't said anything about what would make the difference. Nor have you made the connection between any of this and God.


How does the meaning of this sentence change in a major theological and legal significance (לא-תבשל גדי, בחלב אמו) if this word (חֵלֶב) is used instead of (חֲלֵב) ???

Notice the only difference is the nequdot which YHWH neglected to invent or think about adding to his handwriting... or even better do what the Greeks did by adding full out graphemes that represent the range of phonetics of their language.


But you've also called this one particular abjad "a flawed and incomplete abjad", which makes it seem as if there are other abjads out there which you wouldn't apply those adjectives to, and you haven't said anything about what would make the difference. Nor have you made the connection between any of this and God.


No it does not... all abjads by definition are flawed and incomplete... see above....


HINT 2: Do you know when the Aramaic block script was invented??? And what script it evolved out of???

Yes. What point are you trying to make?

So you know that the Aramaic block script was invented in the 700s BCE and that evolved out of the Phoenician (Canaanite) script which biblical thumpers call proto-hebrew.... now do you see the point?


It wasn't, and Phoenician

So you are saying the Aramaic block text was not invented... but you admit it evolved out of the Phoenician script.... do you not see a problem here?? Anyway see above.

what does this have to do with God


See above.


HINT 3: Ponder over how these facts might impact the divinity of the alleged giver of this tome of Canaanite words in Aramaic script.

As has been pointed out repeatedly, no-one here is arguing that any part of the bible was written by a god. That the earliest written versions of some parts of it may have been written in a dialect commonly used in that time and place, and a script commonly used in that time and place (as you claim with no evidence) is proof of nothing, other than that they were were written in a dialect and a script commonly used in that time and place (assuming that your unevidenced claim is correct).

Again...
Hint: You either go with reality or with the narrative of the fiction... you cannot defend and do apologetics for the fiction by appealing to reality... well... not in a rational reality that is.

I suggest you also read this post ... I hope you do...


They don't.


They do.
 
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No, babe. Those weird videos are not representative of Judaic thought. You have a long tough road to prove they are.

I could find a few YT vids of Englishmen claiming the Royal Family are Lizard People. But it would be incredibly dishonest, not to say stupid, to claim that "this is what the English believe". Yet you have done just this.

And this has long gotten boring. I'm out.

eta: and I see "calumny" has appeared on your Weird and Awkward Word of the Day Calendar. Twice in the same post, even.
  • A: "No Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge."
  • L: "But my uncle Angus is a Scotsman and he puts sugar on his porridge."
  • A: "But no true Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge."

So your argument is the No True Scotsman Fallacy... and despite at first arguing that I was a bald-faced liar for saying there are some Scotsmen who are not exactly what you want them to be.... which now you admit do exist despite denying they are true.... and who say exactly what you denied they say and accused me of lying when I said they say it.... and now you claim it is a conspiracy theory to say it.

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I suggest you read the OP.... here it is ... notice the FOUR OTHER "reasonings" that you missed.
And it was allegedly given to an Egyptian courtier descended from Sumerians to give to runaway slaves descended from 70 Sumerian men with their mothers and sister after having been slaves in Egypt for 430 years.
OK, so, those four things would apparently be:
1. Moses, receiver of the tablets containing a tiny fraction of the Old Testament, was described as an Egyptian courtier.
B. The Bible says he was descended from Sumerians*.
Я. The Hebrews were described as runaway slaves.
ψ. They were descended from a specific group of Sumerians* (the "70 men" part), which I guess must be a reference back to point B, although I don't know where the number came from or why it matters.
4. Their enslavement in Egypt had lasted for 430 years.

So I guess the idea there must be that these people wouldn't know the writing system that had been used (possibly not even the spoken language), so there was no point in giving it to them in that form, so a real God would have known better than to try. Problems, though:
►Did the Bible ever really even state what language or writing system it was in, or is that a later inference?
►Even if it did, it does stand to reason that a high-ranking Egyptian courtier such as Moses would be familiar with the language and writing system of an Egyptian satellite state, conquered province, or enemy nation, and that he would be aware that that place was where the slaves had come from, especially after he had discovered that he was one of them and taken their side and presumably familiarized himself more with their culture. I'm not saying it actually happened, but, just within the context of the story itself, there's nothing wrong with this element of the story.
►Within the story's context, some of the Hebrew population could have brought knowledge of their own reading & writing with them when they migrated to Egypt in the first place and retained it while they lived in Egypt. I'm not saying that happened, but its plausibility within the context of the story means it can't be the basis for shooting the story down; reasons to disbelieve the story lie elsewhere. (The analogy with African slaves in old European colonies is not necessarily analogous at all.)
►Even if there were zero literate people among them aside from Moses, people can be taught, and the only other relevant choice for a writing system in that place & time was Egyptian, which was much harder to use, especially a for non-Egyptian language.
►The *Sumerian thing must come from the fact that Moses was supposed to be a descendant of Abram, who came from Ur. But the name of the city in the Bible is actually "Chaldean Ur" or "Ur of the Chaldees". That's a separate city, and it's Canaanite, not Sumerian. The Bible never called them Sumerians.
►I have no idea how the duration of the enslavement is supposed to matter. Maybe it's connected to the African-slaves-in-European-colonies thing, but slaves losing their original language is not a necessary universal result of slavery. For one thing, in that case people from different tribes kept getting thrown together so they had no language in common other then their owners' languages. Also, the jobs they were enslaved for had nothing to do with language or writing, but there have been other slaves in history whose jobs did in fact call for careful conveyance of information. This would be true to some extent of skilled artisans with whom the details of what they were to do needed to be communicated & planned carefully (such as those who would have built what the Bible says the Hebrews built), but even more so of administrative & clerical slaves. In Rome, Greek slaves with the latter kind of job were picked precisely for their Greekness, so their Greekness isn't something their Roman owners would have wanted to strip from them. Without being given more details of the alleged Hebrew enslavement in Egypt, we have no basis for saying that it was the kind of slavery in which we should expect them to have lost all knowledge of their own language & writing.

Pointing out the FACTS about something does not mean struggling with nor disliking that something...
It does if you've been saying there's something horribly wrong with that thing and those "ꜰᴀᴄᴛꜱ" you've been pointing out are the only thing(s) you've given us to think of as your justification for that assessment. If in fact the reason why this writing system is so awful is something else, it was up to you to say what that other thing was instead of carrying on about something that you now say wasn't it.

It should be noted, however, the these written forms were created by, and for people that knew and spoke the spoken forms of these languages. They knew which vowel sounds to put where.

This is why your your line "I am gng t rspnd t yr bv pst n dtls ltr..." is understandable to most Engish speakers.
For Semitic languages, it works even better and more consistently & easily than that. There really isn't a way to demonstrate it in non-fictional English analogies because the way Semitic words work is so different from ours.

For one thing, the base vowel system for those languages consists of only three vowel sounds, instead of something like a dozen for us. So there are fewer wrong guesses to eliminate. Hebrew's vowel system diversified to more than three more recently, but we're talking about an era before that happened.

More importantly, though, in Semitic languages, context is much better at telling you which sounds belong where, and, even if you had no idea what vowels to guess, the consonants alone would still tell you most of the meaning.

A single Semitic root word is fundamentally defined entirely by its 2-4 consonants (usually 3). Different vowels don't make a different root word; they only put it in different forms for different grammatical functions, like verb conjugation, noun declension, other changes like converting a direct/active verb to a related indirect/passive one or creating a collective/uncountable noun from an individual/countable noun, and conversion between nouns, verbs, adjectives, and adverbs. And some of those kinds of changes include not just switching vowels around but also adding extra consonants in some cases, and an extra added consonant is a dead give-away which vowels it comes with.

We have a little bit of something loosely like this in English, as in "drink, drank, drunk, drunken, drunkard". That's a few verb conjugations, an adjective, and a noun; more forms than English usually gets out of one word, but less than usual for a Semitic language. Now just imagine if we had more options for the same root, like "adronek" and "badirnosk" and "darnku" and "yedrinoki" and several more, and they all still pertained to drinking in predictably patterned ways... "a-o-e" means a place to do the thing, so in this case it's a bar... "ba-i-os" means causing/facilitating something to be done, typically by other people, so in this case it's "pour"... "a-u" means equipment with which something is done, so in this case it's a cup/mug... "ye-i-o-i" means it's a collective activity, not an individual one, so in this case it's a party (with booze).

Now imagine having a language in which not just that word is like that, but so are most others throughout the whole language, with the same vowel patterns serving the same functions regardless of which root you apply them to. And imagine reading a sentence with the "vehicle, driving" root and the "farming, harvesting, farmers' market or grocery store" root. If there are any additional consonants snuck in there, you know which vowel patterns go with them, but if there aren't, you can at least eliminate vowel patterns that would have come with such an extra consonant and narrow it down to the ones that are truly just vowels. Then you'd just go with what meanings would make sense. Obviously the author isn't saying "Somebody farms/farmed his/her car" or "Somebody harvests/harvested his/her car". There's no doubt that it's actually "Somebody drives/drove to the farmers' market or grocery store" just from common sense. You don't even need to mentally "hear" the vowels or figure out what they would have sounded like in order to get the meaning from just the root consonants. You don't "sound out" the pronunciation, but you don't need to because you'd "common-sense-out" the meanings before you even mentally got to the vowels. Then the only information you have left to get from context are who the driver is/was and whether it's present, past, or future. And there's practically never any such thing as a context that doesn't tell you enough for that.

And that's not even counting the fact that it's only the short vowels that don't get written anyway. Some letters do double-duty as both a consonant and a long vowel, like English "Y". For the consonant sounds "y" and "w" and their vowel counterparts "u" and "i", this duality is not uncommon in writing systems, because they tend to be thought of as the same thing anyway in some spoken languages. Latin once used "I" and "U" in exactly the same dual way, with no sign that the Romans ever thought there was any point in splitting them up and pretending that what they considered one sound for each of those letters was really somehow two sounds. Greek also once had letters for both "u" and "w" but then dropped the "w" because it was pointless when they could just use "u" or "o" for the same thing, and the fact that they could do the same with "i" was why they never even bothered deriving a separate consonant letter for it in the first place. That covers two of the three Semitic long "vowels" that are really consonants anyway, leaving "a" as the only one assigned to a letter that didn't already represent essentially the same sound when it's acting as a consonant anyway like "w" and "y" did for "u" and "i". (Its consonant sound is /ʔ/.) And it's not hard to learn when that one lone letter is acting as a consonant or as a vowel, just like we all do with our "y". (Remember, outside of special cases like the very common Arabic prefix "al", the only way it's a vowel is when the root you're using takes a vowel pattern containing long "a", so context tells you whether that vowel pattern makes sense for that root this time or not. If the word doesn't make sense with the grammatical choices that come with a long "a", then it's the consonant instead.)

But wait, there's more! Both Modern Hebrew and Modern Arabic actually do have diacritics that can be used to specify the vowels... but those diacritics more often than not go unused. Walk down a street or through a store in a place where they use those alphabets, and you'll see more signs & labels & such without them than with them (especially in Arabic). Why? Because they make no difference so nobody cares; they just aren't worth the bother because they don't add anything that wasn't already there without them. They'd literally already understand what they're reading just by the consonants before they got around to figuring out the vowels to go with that meaning, and by then there's no need to take the extra step of getting the vowels out anymore once they've already gotten the meaning. The system works so smoothly for these languages that they and their faster, easier, more efficient writing system must have been invented together specially for each other by a god!
 
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<for later>


For now... can you tell me what is this word.... דלב ..... how is it pronounced ... choose say the Latin alphabet or the Cyrillic alphabet or the Greek to transliterate it in writing... or perhaps the ancient one of the Sanskrit (a.k.a. Hindi... a.k.a. Devanagari).

Is it Dolab or Delov or Dalov or Delve or Dilaba or Dulevo or what???


And... How does the meaning of this sentence change in a major theological and legal significance (לא-תבשל גדי, בחלב אמו) if this word (חֵלֶב) is used instead of (חֲלֵב) ???

Now can you see what is wrong with an abjad?

Both Modern Hebrew and Modern Arabic actually do have diacritics that can be used to specify the vowels... but those diacritics more often than not go unused.


How does the meaning of this sentence change in a major way (علم ٱلإِنسـن ما لم يعلم) if this word (عَلَمْ) is used instead of (عَلَّمَ) ???
 
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I actually clicked all five links and started watching all five videos at the given starting points.

Not only are they not on the subject of this thread, but they aren't even on the same subjects as each other. This is even farther from making any sense than it was before.


Ah... and I forgot to ask.... do you now see how the videos you said you watched, in fact are decisive rebuttals to the fallacious rebuttal-attempts of the OP... not to mention the slanders against myself??

I am sure that you have read all the other posts and now can see how those videos serve to decisively rive those fallacious slanders and thus make perfect sense... you have read the other posts and the OP... no??

Because one of those posts also is a response to your point....

►Did the Bible ever really even state what language or writing system it was in, or is that a later inference?


Hint :..... no.... I am not going to make it easy.... go find it and read it if you have not done so.
 
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Mine is not a mistake... it is a deliberate word and it means that MANY DETAILS will be coming as a response later... you know the 's' in English at the end of a noun denotes a plural noun.

"I am going to respond to your above post in details later"... means I am going to give lots of details as a response but not now.
Sorry, but in normal idiomatic English, 'details' is just wrong. And what about the 'I am' which should have been just 'm'?
Have you ever read Matthew 7:5?
Why do you keep bringing the New Testament into this?
 
I am sure that you have read all the other posts and now can see how those videos serve to decisively rive those fallacious slanders and thus make perfect sense... you have read the other posts and the OP... no??

Do what, now?
 
No it does not! Because you again are liberally mixing your own version of the fiction to fit with your version of wished upon reality.

Let me see if I can explain...

If you take reality:
  • The Exodus never happened.
  • There was no Moses or 2.5M+ Hebrews in Egypt or anywhere else
  • Joshu never happened.
  • Abraham never happened.
  • So the fictional Hebrews never thought they fictionally descended from a fictional Sumerian pimp.
  • The Buybull is obviously not the product of anyone other than humans flimflamming fairy tales and tall tales and putting it all in the Canaanite tongue they revered as an ancient liturgical language... much like the Catholic Church does for Latin... using the script they knew how to write in their epoch c.a. 5th or 6th century BCE... (maybe Ezra et al).

If you go with the fictive narrative:
  • Abraham was a Sumerian pimp who pimped his Sumerian half-sister-wife.
  • His grandson Jacob had a Sumerian mother and he married 2 Sumerian sisters along with their slaves and lived a good portion of his life in Sumer and Egypt and some years in Canaan.
  • All his children save one were born in Sumer.
  • After a brief sojourn in Canaan Jacob and his tribe of 70 individuals mostly his 12 sons and their wives and one sister and their mothers and grandsons migrated to Egypt.
  • Joseph's wife was Egyptian and his children born in Egypt.
  • Those 70 individuals ONE FAMILY mostly men allegedly became 2.5M+ people while being held as slaves in Egypt.... do you see a problem with that?
  • Those 2.5M+ Egyptian slaves after 430 years and having never spoken any Canaanite Dialect whatsoever somehow managed to be Hebrew speakers.... do you see no problem here?
  • Moses grew up in the Egyptian court speaking Egyptian... and by his own admission he could not speak the tongue of his birth mother properly.
  • YHWH wants to give Moses a set of laws and commandments and tablets of stone which say stuff and are written down using a script.... that he wrote himself.
  • Yet this script is borrowed from the Arameans who invented it in the 8th century BCE while all this happens in the 13th or 14th BCE century... do you not see a problem at all with this?
  • And the syntax and semantics of the content is in a dialect of Canaanite... a tongue that Moses cannot speak or read or understand.... do you not see any problem there?
  • But moreover... none of the 2.5M+ people to whom all those laws and commandments were meant to be given could read it or speak it or understand it since they never heard the language or seen the script that will be invented 5 or 6 centuries later.
  • Furthermore... YHWH the alleged creator of the universe... had to borrow the language of the Canaanites and the script of the Arameans... and this script is an Abjad ... a flawed and incomplete script that does not represent the range of phonetics of the semantics and thus had to be IMPROVED UPON 2000 years later by some Rabbis who invented the Nequdot in order to DISAMBIGUATE the words left ambiguous by the flaws and incompleteness of the Abjad, the maker of the universe borrowed and never improved upon himself like the Greeks did.
  • No wonder they were not impressed at all and preferred to worship a molded golden calf in preference to this deity they could clearly not fathom and who took them away from all those succulent vegetables of Egypt to a desert to starve and get parched and get lost.
  • The alleged descendants of these people (and Christians and Muslims) believe all this is true and real history and the YHWH is a real god who wrote real scriptures using his finger on real tablets and gave them to the real Moses and they are now what is known as the Bible ... or Hebrew Bible if you want or the T.N.K. (Tanakh)... or if you want to be more specific The Torah.

So now can you understand what the OP is saying???



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That would appear to be a case for the bible being a work of fiction, as I think almost everyone here would agree, but can you explain which part shows that the fiction could not have been authored by an omnipotent deity?
 
Do what, now?
To "rive" as we all know means to "rove" - the practice of plotting a land war in (southwest) Asia...

- Miracle Max, probably
Rive = cut, slice, split apart, tear open, rend... as in, "Did you see that debate? Debater X totally tore debater Y apart!"

Part of a nifty little pattern:
rive, rift, Rivendell (a valley/vale/dale/dell/gorge/canyon deeply cut into the land as if the land split open)
cleave, cleft, cloven
drive, drift, driven
bereave, bereft (but not grieve, grift!)
thieve, theft
sieve, sift
heave, heft
weave, weft​
(Notice that the first two are comparable in not just form but also meaning.)
(This seems to only work with words of Germanic origin, not imports.)

This palaver has become a gallimaufry of tarradiddles.
It's always good to have a Gallimaufryan around when the Tarradiddles attack Palaver.
 

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