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Transwomen are not women - X (XY?)

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Rolfe said:
Transwomen are as likely as any other men to be sexual predators. We keep ALL men out of women's spaces so that the small percentage who are predators can be excluded. (And for other reasons of comfort and modesty and religious requirements too of course.)

Transwomen are not some sort of uniquely angelic class of men. We keep all men out of women's spaces, and there is no special thing about the ones who claim to be transwomen that shoud exempt them from that. Or do you also want to let in any man who isn't a predator? Why discriminate against the nice, kind, non-predatory men in this way?
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Transwomen for the most part act and think like your average woman.

Are you now suggesting that we keep lesbians out of the Ladies Room cause they may get attracted to the lady in the next stall?
 
Hercules56 said:
Transwomen for the most part act and think like your average woman.

Are you now suggesting that we keep lesbians out of the Ladies Room cause they may get attracted to the lady in the next stall?
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You know, I may leave this for others for a bit, because it gets really tedious going over the same hack arguments that have been shredded multiple times already.

Transwomen act and think like men. If you don't realise that then you need to take a step back. The male entitlement, the manspreading to take up the space, the dominating of the conversation, you know this is self-evident and anyone who has been looking at real transwomen as opposed to some idealised vision in their own head would know that.

Lesbians are women. They integrate perfectly well in women-only spaces and always have done. Please stop dragging in red herrings you know nothing about.
 
Rolfe said:
Transwomen are not some sort of uniquely angelic class of men.
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This is what I mean earlier when I said a lot of times the "vibe" I get off of trans side is less "gender identity" and more "This is a code word for 'no you see I'm one of the good ones.'"

Transwomen being men who just don't want the baggage (not the exact word but close) of being a man is there... somewhere.
 
Rolfe said:
What feature(s) do transwomen have that are shared with women but not with men?
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Not going to discuss the obvious.

The issue is whether we should TREAT transwomen as women. A fair argument has been made to the affirmative.
 
Rolfe said:
Men have exactly the same sex-segregated spaces as women have, inevitably really.
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Not inevitable. Women come into male toilets all the time when there are queues. One wouldn't have to enforce it in both directions. For many sports there are female only leagues, and then open leagues. These things are created around protecting women and addressing women's concerns, not protecting men or addressing men's concerns. The male only spaces that women didn't want turned out to be based on prejudice.
 
I don't treat men and women differently. What exactly am I supposed to do here?
 
Hercules56 said:
Not going to discuss the obvious.

The issue is whether we should TREAT transwomen as women. A fair argument has been made to the affirmative.
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How do you "treat ... as a woman" other than by permitting them access to female-only sex-segregated spaces, though. If you want to hold a door open or vacate your seat on the bus for a man in lipstick and high heels, I'm sure nobody is going to say you shouldn't.
 
Rolfe said:
How do you "treat ... as a woman" other than by permitting them access to female-only sex-segregated spaces, though. If you want to hold a door open or vacate your seat on the bus for a man in lipstick and high heels, I'm sure nobody is going to say you shouldn't.
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Yes, by giving them assess to women-only spaces.

I hold the door open for women AND men, as its polite.
 
Hercules56 said:
We haven't yet established that all transwomen are MEN and must be treated as MEN.
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Yes, we have established this.

All the practical applications of trans inclusionism in public policy are essentially about transcending sex segregation. And in terms of biological sex and the reasons for sex segregation, transwomen are male and should be segregated with their fellow males.

Don't let yourself be confused by the twin equivocations of the trans-activists: The equivocation between gender and sex; and the equivocation between erasing biological sex as a distinguishing concept versus preserving biological sex as a clear line that some people should be allowed to cross over.

I see good arguments on both sides.
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I don't. What's the best argument you've seen, on the side of transwomen being women that must be treated as women?
 
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