DeSantis Martha's Vineyard Stunt

[Warp12]

What I'm aware of is that it exposes the flaw in your "if the voters support it, it's ok despite its illegality" stand.

Wrong. It exposes that the legal avenues of enforcement were obviously impotent. As they may well be in this case.

Meh. I mean if it is prosecuted with some major impact, that will possibly impact votes. But otherwise, who cares? I would say on any of it, if you can get away with it, and the voters support it, do it.

If someone doesn't like it, do something about it other than whine. There is a lot of whining over this...let's see the action.

They are perfectly congruent. The way the system should work is that lawbreakers are prosecuted. If there is no prosecution, then what does that say? The fact of the matter is, a lot of "iffy" stuff goes on in politics.

For example, I don't care about what DeSantis has done here until it is proven to be a prosecutable offense. If he is prosecuted, and convicted of a crime, I will stand by that decision. If the law has clearly been broken, he should be held accountable.

That is independent of whether it was a douchey action. What you can "get away with" is the reality of how law is enforced (or not).

Everyone is so up in arms over this, as I say let's see the legal action and the results. That will be the determiner. My guess? No legal action of consequence.

 

[newyorkguy]

If voters support it, why not?

Because illegal. I thought that was fairly obvious.

This is one of the reasons conservative Republicans have embraced Viktor Orban in Hungary. Straight out of his playbook. If public opinion supports it then it can't be illegal. The libs? The mainstream media? They no longer count.

When heads of state visit the U.S., the top item on their itinerary is usually a White House visit. For Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban [in August], it [meant] addressing a conference of conservative activists in Dallas.

Orban’s appearance at the Conservative Political Action Conference, where he’ll be joined by former President Donald Trump and right-wing icons such as Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, R-Ga., is the most dramatic indication yet of how a leader criticized for pushing anti-democratic principles has become a hero to segments of the Republican Party. Orban has curbed immigration and stymied those who envision a more middle-of-the-road European democracy for their country. He’s done so by seizing control of Hungary’s judiciary and media, leading many international analysts to label him as the face of a new wave of authoritarianism. He also is accused of enabling widespread corruption and nepotism, using state resources to enrich a tight circle of political allies. AP News link

The overthrow of our conventional democracy has begun and I can't think of a clearer example then what DeSantis has done.

 

[Warp12]

The libs? The mainstream media? They no longer count.

Is there a difference?

 

[JoeMorgue]

"Jews go on the trains, Jews don't go on the train. What I care about is what the voters support. And hey maybe gassing the Jews will reveal some weakness in our law enforcement."

 

[Regnad Kcin]

If only you didn’t come to my country with your brown skin and accents and hand out looking for free stuff got me a beer and not back talk me, I wouldn’t have to treat you like sub-human Hollywood props for the enjoyment of the mouth breathers hit you.

See what you made me do?!

 

[smartcooky]

Housing is readily available on the Vineyard? They've already moved (some of?) the migrants to Otis Joint Base on the Cape as I understand it.

I also doubt that Vineyard wages for unskilled labor are terribly high. I guess they're higher than down South, but the cost of living is a lot higher too.

On the other hand, it may be that the immigration judges around here aren't so overworked and I hear they tend to be more sympathetic to asylum seekers than those in Texas or Florida.

Oh, how I'd love to see the judges in the area quickly confirm their asylum-seeker status, grant them permanent residency in the US, and have them offered to be sent to wherever they want to find work.

That would be the perfect message to send DeSantis - "you keep sending us your asylum seekers at $25,000 a hundred, we'll grant them asylum and residency and send them to wherever they want to go - if that is back to Florida, so be it, and there won't jack **** you can do about it!"

 

[Warp12]

"Jews go on the trains, Jews don't go on the train. What I care about is what the voters support. And hey maybe gassing the Jews will reveal some weakness in our law enforcement."

These dumb analogies are built around a fear-mongering core. I guess this is what they call a Godwin. Glad you cut to the chase and invoked it early.

 

[Warp12]

The more I think about this, the more I am OK with it. I mean the whole concept of a sanctuary city is to be non-cooperative with authorities, in an effort to protect illegals. That is way worse than what DeSantis has done.

Dems have some real balls whining about this.

 

[smartcooky]

The fact that residents of Martha's Vineyard reacted with compassion may have come as a great surprise.

The reaction and response of MV residents was superb, but it would have come as a complete shock to DeSantis, Abbot and other racist Republicans, including a few on this forum. Why? Because, simply put, they are utterly incapable of understanding that everyone else doesn't think like them. They regard Blacks, Latinos, immigrants who are not white to be "The Other" - or as their kindred spirits would say, "Der Untermensch" - not worthy of life. They see compassion and kindness towards these people, not as a strength, but as a weakness; a threat their power and to the continuation of their privileged White Republic.

 

[smartcooky]

The more I think about this, the more I am OK with it. I mean the whole concept of a sanctuary city is to be non-cooperative with authorities, in an effort to protect illegals. That is way worse than what DeSantis has done.

Also these are not illegal immigrants, that is a lie and anyone who says they are is a liar.

They are legal asylum seekers.

Ok, well that is different then.

You missed the edit, Stacy. They are asylum seekers. That changes my opinion of what is acceptable.

Didn't take you long to walk that back did it!?

 

[Warp12]

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Didn't take you long to walk that back did it!?

I didn't say they were illegals. I said what DeSantis has done is nothing compared to what these sanctuary cities are doing to go against authority. But yes, I have changed my mind about the severity of his action...by using a Dem-approved point of reference.

In other words, Dems whining about this is ridiculous considering what they emphatically support with these sanctuary cities/states.

 

[Norman Alexander]

The more I think about this, the more I am OK with it. I mean the whole concept of a sanctuary city is to be non-cooperative with authorities, in an effort to protect illegals. That is way worse than what DeSantis has done.

Dems have some real balls whining about this.

Don't recall Martha's Vineyard being any "sanctuary city"...

So what you are really doing here is endorsing DeSantis and Abbot's massive but failed dick moves in an effort to tweak the Libz. It's nothing to do with immigration at all. These people they bus and fly out are just pawns in some dick-waving game. And you support the morons with their wangs out. Good to know.

 

[Warp12]

Don't recall Martha's Vineyard being any "sanctuary city"...

So what you are really doing here is endorsing DeSantis and Abbot's massive but failed dick moves in an effort to tweak the Libz. It's nothing to do with immigration at all. These people they bus and fly out are just pawns in some dick-waving game. And you support the morons with their wangs out. Good to know.

Look, it's not something I would have done, personally. I am glad the migrants are being cared for.

But I am having a hard time getting upset about it when I think of what Dems are endorsing on the other end of the spectrum.

 

[Norman Alexander]

Look, it's not something I would have done, personally. I am glad the migrants are being cared for.

But I am having a hard time getting upset about it when I think of what Dems are endorsing on the other end of the spectrum.

They seem to be endorsing decency and compassion, what I thought were true American values. You having a hard time with that is illuminating but hardly surprising.

 

[Warp12]

They seem to be endorsing decency and compassion, what I thought were true American values. You having a hard time with that is illuminating but hardly surprising.

They are endorsing non-cooperation with federal immigration authorities. So, no room to complain about the actions of DeSantis.

 

[Upchurch]

They are endorsing non-cooperation with federal immigration authorities. So, no room to complain about the actions of DeSantis.

He sent them to Martha's Vineyard because that is where Kamala Harris lives, not because it's a sanctuary city, which it's not.

 

[Warp12]

He sent them to Martha's Vineyard because that is where Kamala Harris lives, not because it's a sanctuary city, which it's not.

I don't care one bit. The point is, Dems have no room to complain with the things they are endorsing.

 

[Upchurch]

I don't care one bit.

That wasn't for you.

 

[Warp12]

That wasn't for you.

Well, you quoted me in your post.

 

[Upchurch]

Well, you quoted me in your post.

When pointing out bad arguments, you have to reference the bad argument itself.

Again, this is not meant for Warp.