DeSantis Martha's Vineyard Stunt

[Mojo]

Who isn't one of the communities that will support people seeking refuge, who want to help others? Anyone who doesn't, isn't American.

“Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.”

 

[Stout]

The Post just had an article about the Island Shuffle. During tourist season, workers grab whatever accommodations they can -- spare room, camper trailer, whatever -- and when the tourists leave, they move to better winter lodgings.

In any case, it is clear that if you thought others should do more for migrants, and you genuinely wanted effective aid for them, you wouldn't move them to a ******* island.

I don't know what the wage for workers on the Vineyard is like. The less affluent Cape has a lot of people just scraping by and housing must surely be cheaper on the Cape than on the Vineyard. It's my anecdotal impression that the year-rounders on the Cape consist of a lot of lower middle class workers, aside from the retirees (most of whom are also middle class).

Anyway, offering to house them on the Cape made a hell of a lot more sense than on the Vineyard, where prices are ridiculous. And the talk of living wages for migrants doesn't make much difference until they have a right to work. (On the Cape, there's a decent population of Latinos, some of whom live there permanently, so there are a couple of grocery stores catering to Portugese and Brazilian tastes. I doubt that's the case on the islands.)

MV certainly beats languishing on the streets of San Antonio. We're told the migrants were given phones with US numbers so obviously those were lacking. Phones are cheap and necessary and if the migrants weren't able to afford those then their situation must have indeed been dire. MV residents also raised $175k for the migrants (at press time) which, when distributed equitably among the migrants would allow them to relocate to pretty much anywhere in the country they chose. This is what I meant by "hitting the jackpot".

The missing court appearances issue doesn't make any sense. The migrants knew they had court appearances yet chose to get on a presumably one way flight to a sanctuary location knowing full well that those court appearances would be missed. Maybe there's something wonky in the reporting here.

 

[autumn1971]

You missed the edit, Stacy. They are asylum seekers. That changes my opinion of what is acceptable. But yeah, the woman was just screeching like Jane Curtin on the old SNL.

Wow. You’ve had forty years to get a few jokes and missed the point of every one.

 

[pgwenthold]

Meanwhile instead of using living, breathing human beings as a pawn to get back at the Conservatives, the actually decent people of Martha's Vineyard are rushing to help the refugees.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/16/us/marthas-vineyard-community-response-migrants/index.html

And meanwhile, republicans are boasting how the people of Martha's Vineyard are all pissed off and refusing to help.

It's 100% wrong, but Fox and claim it and they will believe it.

ETA: Sure enough, that attitude shows up in this thread.

 

[pgwenthold]

I can kinda/sorta understand sending migrants to SF, LA, Boston, Chicago, and other Sanctuary Cities that have the infrastructure to deal with such people, but sending them to a little isolated town like Martha's Vineyard is tantamount to kidnapping and abuse. This **** needs to stop.

They were told they were going to a place where they could easily get work visas, and if they worked hard enough, they could earn freedom. I mean, like there was a camp or something like that where they could go.

Sadly, this is not all that far from reality.

 

[pgwenthold]

The migrants might just have hit the jackpot on this. I mean, think about it. You've spent months trekking through a bunch of countries unsuitable for resettling in only to reach the promised land and end up in some redneck haven like Texas or Florida. Where would you rather be, one of those states or a super wealthy liberal area where housing is readily available and wages are bound to be high?

And those people in Warsaw, man, they were so lucky to get out of the Ghetto and into a place where they could make an honest living working for the Germans.

 

[Upchurch]

I wouldn't be so sure of that. He is just laying the foundation to step into Trump's shoes for 2024.

The “performing political sounds with utter disregard for breaking the law to do it” shoes? Is this the future of the Republican Party?

 

[Warp12]

The “performing political sounds with utter disregard for breaking the law to do it” shoes? Is this the future of the Republican Party?

As long as the voters support it, sure. Why not?

 

[sackett]

If the Repuglicans are debauched enough to think that Ron (The Poor Man's Putin) DeSalmonella can waft them into the White House, they'll b'god nominate him in '24. Question: Can an inmate of a federal prison run for national office?

I don't ask that lightheartedly. Quite the opposite.

 

[Upchurch]

As long as the voters support it, sure. Why not?

Because illegal. I thought that was fairly obvious.

 

[sackett]

OT as hell, but

As long as the voters support it, sure. Why not?

Warp, everybody knows you're a nihilist. You don't have to keep demonstrating it.

 

[Warp12]

Because illegal. I thought that was fairly obvious.

Meh. I mean if it is prosecuted with some major impact, that will possibly impact votes. But otherwise, who cares? I would say on any of it, if you can get away with it, and the voters support it, do it.

If someone doesn't like it, do something about it other than whine. There is a lot of whining over this...let's see the action.

 

[Stacyhs]

Originally Posted by Upchurch View Post
The “performing political sounds with utter disregard for breaking the law to do it” shoes? Is this the future of the Republican Party?

As long as the voters support it, sure. Why not?

And yet....

I stand with the law and those who enforce it. I am willing to accept any outcome in this case.

 

[Warp12]

And yet....

They are perfectly congruent. The way the system should work is that lawbreakers are prosecuted. If there is no prosecution, then what does that say? The fact of the matter is, a lot of "iffy" stuff goes on in politics.

For example, I don't care about what DeSantis has done here until it is proven to be a prosecutable offense. If he is prosecuted, and convicted of a crime, I will stand by that decision. If the law has clearly been broken, he should be held accountable.

That is independent of whether it was a douchey action. What you can "get away with" is the reality of how law is enforced (or not).

 

[Resume]

Wow. You’ve had forty years to get a few jokes and missed the point of every one.

No ****.

 

[Stacyhs]

Meh. I mean if it is prosecuted with some major impact, that will possibly impact votes. But otherwise, who cares? I would say on any of it, if you can get away with it, and the voters support it, do it.
If someone doesn't like it, do something about it other than whine. There is a lot of whining over this...let's see the action.

They are perfectly congruent. The way the system should work is that lawbreakers are prosecuted. If there is no prosecution, then what does that say? The fact of the matter is, a lot of "iffy" stuff goes on in politics.

For example, I don't care about what DeSantis has done here until it is proven to be a prosecutable offense. If he is prosecuted, and convicted of a crime, I will stand by that decision. If the law has clearly been broken, he should be held accountable.

Your response is in no way surprising. Claiming that "I don't care that someone broke the law unless they are prosecuted and convicted for it," is not "perfectly congruent" with "I stand with the law and those who enforce it."

That is independent of whether it was a douchey action. What you can "get away with" is the reality of how law is enforced (or not).

Meh. I mean if it is prosecuted with some major impact, that will possibly impact votes. But otherwise, who cares? I would say on any of it, if you can get away with it, and the voters support it, do it.

You mean like the Southern Manifesto that was supported by the voters of the southern states after Brown vs. Board of Education in 1954? Who cares? Oh, I dunno...people with a moral compass, some understanding of right vs wrong....Oh, never mind. I see the problem.

 

[Warp12]

Who cares? Oh, I dunno...people with a moral compass, some understanding of right vs wrong....Oh, never mind. I see the problem.

This is probably the last place to be trotting out that pony, let me tell you.

 

[Warp12]

You mean like the Southern Manifesto that was supported by the voters of the southern states after Brown vs. Board of Education in 1954?

A discussion of that particular matter would be entirely OT, as you are aware.

 

[Stacyhs]

This is probably the last place to be trotting out that pony, let me tell you.

The irony....she burns.

A discussion of that particular matter would be entirely OT, as you are aware.

What I'm aware of is that it exposes the flaw in your "if the voters support it, it's ok despite its illegality" stand.

 

[Stout]

And those people in Warsaw, man, they were so lucky to get out of the Ghetto and into a place where they could make an honest living working for the Germans.

$175K, food, phones and visa carda...and you make a Holocaust comparison.

Better hope the ADL doesn't get ahold of that.