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Destiny and Free will

Pixel42 said:
Bad things happen to good people, and good things to bad people, every day.
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Because bad people have some good sides and good people have some bad sides.

But when you look at the sum total of life, the good ones always win. Especially when you consider the afterlife and the world life together, the real picture emerges.
 
Emre_1974tr said:
Allah creates human beings in the most beautiful way. He gives them free will equal to evil and good. But that person chooses evil of his own free will. God knows even before He creates him that he will choose evil and He creates him to get what he deserves.

Just as it is beautiful to create the good for heaven, it is equally beautiful to give the bad what they deserve.

By the way, the suffering in the world is also because of the sins and evil of the people.

Peace
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If a persons fate is decided even before he is created then they never had free will.
 
Good luck and bad luck happen exactly as often as probability theory predicts, and are equally distributed amongst both good and bad people.

If that was not the case, it would be easy to prove it. Show statistically that good people get cancer less often than bad people, or something like that. Either do so, or stop making baseless claims.
 
Scorpion said:
If a persons fate is decided even before he is created then they never had free will.
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No. God knows what you will choose with your free will, how you will react to which option, and He writes the script accordingly. For example, He knew before He created you whether you would pray or not, what you would ask for in your prayer, and He wrote the answer to your prayer in your destiny.


https://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php?topic=3845.0
 
Emre_1974tr said:
Because bad people have some good sides and good people have some bad sides.

But when you look at the sum total of life, the good ones always win. Especially when you consider the afterlife and the world life together, the real picture emerges.
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You know nothing about the afterlife, I know a lot more that you because I have spoken with spirits who have taken mediums in trance. They say there is no hellfire, and no Satan, and there will be no judgement day.

All you have to tell you about the afterlife is the sick verses in the Quran, which is all the lies of the false prophet Muhammad, who made it all up.

Here are some of the horrible verses Muhammad designed to scare people.

22.19 These two antagonists dispute with each other about their Lord: But those who deny (their Lord),- for them will be cut out a garment of Fire: over their heads will be poured out boiling water.
22.20 With it will be scalded what is within their bodies, as well as (their) skins.
22.21 In addition there will be maces of iron (to punish) them.
22.22 Every time they wish to get away therefrom, from anguish, they will be forced back therein, and (it will be said), "Taste ye the Penalty of Burning!"


4.56 Those who reject our Signs, We shall soon cast into the Fire: as often as their skins are roasted through, We shall change them for fresh skins, that they may taste the penalty: for God is Exalted in Power, Wise.
 
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Emre_1974tr said:
No. God knows what you will choose with your free will, how you will react to which option, and He writes the script accordingly. For example, He knew before He created you whether you would pray or not, what you would ask for in your prayer, and He wrote the answer to your prayer in your destiny.
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If your destiny is predetermined you do not have free will.
 
Scorpion said:
You know nothing about the afterlife, I know a lot more that you because I have spoken with spirits who have taken mediums in trance. They say there is no hellfire, and no Satan, and there will be no judgement day.
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On the contrary, I am the one who knows the truth about the hereafter. You don't know anything.

There are no souls. Those beings who claim to be spirits are jinns/demons who deceive you. You have been badly deceived.

By the way, you said that you keep the hot demons inside your body and the cold ones away from your body. So your body is full of demons, you are possessed. I advised you to go for an exorcism, what's the latest?

Peace
 
Scorpion said:
If your destiny is predetermined you do not have free will.
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Your destiny is based on the choices you make of your own free will. I explain it at length in my article with verses and proofs, please read it. Allah does not interfere with your will. You choose everything with your own free will. Since Allah knows what you will choose, He presents you with such options that you can reach salvation or go astray. You get what you deserve.
 
Pixel42 said:
Good luck and bad luck happen exactly as often as probability theory predicts, and are equally distributed amongst both good and bad people.

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You cannot decide who is good and who is bad. Also, you can witness the good side of a person, but he may be a bad person. Or he is bad at a certain moment in his life, but in the totality of his life he will be one of the good ones. You need to first determine what is good, what is evil, what is good or bad behavior.
 
Emre_1974tr said:
Your destiny is based on the choices you make of your own free will. I explain it at length in my article with verses and proofs, please read it. Allah does not interfere with your will. You choose everything with your own free will. Since Allah knows what you will choose, He presents you with such options that you can reach salvation or go astray. You get what you deserve.
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Its not an "option" if the outcome is already known.
 
Emre_1974tr said:
On the contrary, I am the one who knows the truth about the hereafter. You don't know anything.
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Where did you obtain this so called knowledge?
You cannot be telling me it comes from the unholy Quran. A book of lies from a false prophet. A book that says the sun orbits the earth, and Jonah was swallowed by a big fish and spat up on a beach and Noah built an ark, and all the other stolen bible stories that are in that book of nonsense.
 
Thermal said:
Its not an "option" if the outcome is already known.
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It is an option.You can do the opposite of that thing, but you will not do it, and God knows that. Let's say there is A and B and you choose A. You could have chosen option B but you didn't choose it and God knows that. It is one thing to be able to do something, it is quite another to do it and this is the result of free will.

Now I know that you have written the answer that you have written to me above, don't you? You wrote this answer to me out of your free will. If I could go back in time, I would know that you would have written this to me even before you wrote this answer to me. God is timeless and spaceless. For Him there is no distinction between future, present and past. He does not travel through time and space as we do. We are the ones who are in time and space. We move slowly forward in time. But God already knows what is going to happen at every point in time. He does not learn by experience over time, He knows everything from the beginning.
 
Emre_1974tr said:
You cannot decide who is good and who is bad. Also, you can witness the good side of a person, but he may be a bad person. Or he is bad at a certain moment in his life, but in the totality of his life he will be one of the good ones. You need to first determine what is good, what is evil, what is good or bad behavior.
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So do that, and then look for objective evidence that good and bad luck are unequally distributed as you hypothesise.

Until you have done so your claim is unsupported and dismissed.
 
Emre_1974tr said:
Allah creates human beings in the most beautiful way. He gives them free will equal to evil and good. But that person chooses evil of his own free will. God knows even before He creates him that he will choose evil and He creates him to get what he deserves.

Just as it is beautiful to create the good for heaven, it is equally beautiful to give the bad what they deserve.

By the way, the suffering in the world is also because of the sins and evil of the people.

Peace
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Prove it.

Allah is no more real than Sauron or Voldemort. Still shoveling that manure.
 
Scorpion said:
Where did you obtain this so called knowledge?
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I have refuted all these false allegations by answering them in this forum. But since years have passed you don't remember or you continue to resort to lies to continue your secret Christian missionary work.

I proved to you that all these things you say are false and you could not even answer me. Now stop deceiving people by repeating the same conversations.
 
Emre_1974tr said:
Because bad people have some good sides and good people have some bad sides.

But when you look at the sum total of life, the good ones always win. Especially when you consider the afterlife and the world life together, the real picture emerges.
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Post Hoc rational.
 
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