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Destiny and Free will

Gulliver Foyle said:
1) So you can't choose. Glad that we agree.
2) No, you have said over and over that god know what you will do at every single point in the future. This negates free will.
3) And here you admit that free will doesn't exist. If you, with knowledge of the future, can say with certainty what I do in that future, then I have no free will.
4) See 1).

The harder you argue for free will in your imagined system, the more conclusively you prove that it is an impossibility within it. The only way humanity can have free will in a theistic system is with imperfect gods.
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No, you have free will, and you wrote this answer with your free will. I also know this, and if I were timeless, I would have known in the past that you would write this. The scenario unfolds entirely through the choices you make with your free will.
 
Emre_1974tr said:
No, you have free will, and you wrote this answer with your free will. I also know this, and if I were timeless, I would have known in the past that you would write this. The scenario unfolds entirely through the choices you make with your free will.
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Under the doctrine of predestination no other answer was possible. If no other answer was possible, some agent's alleged will to the contrary is pure sophistry. It has no possible effect and therefore no meaningful existence. Your moral philosophy works only if you say that free will is agency in name only.
 
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junkshop said:
Predeterminism is Turkish, and proves free will, which is also Turkish.

As is Toblerone.
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Question about Toblerone.

Is it called that because it's the first chocolate bar from the Tobler company?

Is there, for example a rounded Toblertwo ?
 
God knows what will happen in the future:

48:11 The Nomads who lagged behind will say to you: "We were preoccupied with our money and our family, so ask forgiveness for us." They say with their tongues what is not in their hearts. Say: "Who then would possess any power for you against God if He wanted harm to afflict you or if He wanted benefit for you?" No, God is fully Aware of everything you do.

48:15 Those who lagged behind will say, when you venture out to collect the spoils: "Let us follow you!" They want to change the words of God. Say: "You will not follow us; this is what God has decreed beforehand." They will then say: "No, you are envious of us." Alas, they rarely understood anything.

48:16 Say to those Nomads who lagged behind: "You will be called on to fight a people who are very powerful in warfare, unless they surrender. Then if you obey, God will grant you a good reward, but if you turn away as you turned away before, He will punish you with a painful retribution."
 
And Thor will kill the world serpent Jörmungandr during Ragnarök and in turn be killed by it. Odin will be consumed by the great wolf Fenrir and Surtr will cover the earth with fire. But the humans Líf and Lífþrasir will survive the destruction and the Earth will be reborn.
 
There shall, in that time, be rumors of things going astray, and there shall be a great confusion as to where things really are, and nobody will really know where lieth those little things with a sort of raffia-work base, that has an attachment. At this time, a friend shall lose his friend's hammer, and the young shall not know where lieth the things possessed by their fathers, that their fathers put there only just the night before, about eight o'clock.
 
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arthwollipot said:
And Thor will kill the world serpent Jörmungandr during Ragnarök and in turn be killed by it. Odin will be consumed by the great wolf Fenrir and Surtr will cover the earth with fire. But the humans Líf and Lífþrasir will survive the destruction and the Earth will be reborn.
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And Gal Gadot will use her magic lasso.
 
Hmm... did they also invent Siberia before they took over Anatolia? Oh, wait... the genetics actually don't suggest mass migration... more like a leadership shift changing the cultures. Or so I hear more and more. Never mind me. I know nothing. I just consume and listen. That's why I'm so confused. Pretty sure Ghengis Khan had something to do with it. Anyway, I'm fairly sure the conclusion is that half of what I barely remember from my extensive Art History classes in the mid 1990s is now considered invalid.
 
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Manopolus said:
Hmm... did they also invent Siberia before they took over Anatolia? Oh, wait... the genetics actually don't suggest mass migration... more like a leadership shift changing the cultures. Or so I hear more and more. Never mind me. I know nothing. I just consume and listen. That's why I'm so confused. Pretty sure Ghengis Khan had something to do with it.
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Interestingly, it was Ghengis Khan that invented the Turks.
 
Count Arthur Strong is Turkish:
Now, if you don't mind, we can't carry on this conversation any more because ... I can't speak English and I don't understand what you're saying to me. You see, I am completely ... Turkish.
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Count Arthur Strong's Radio Show, series 6 episode 3: "Tour Guide".
 
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